Please consider taking down the wall in the daily pvp arena.
Yes, please.
No need to explain..
As my German friends would say... "I would like the Wall to come down" in daily pvp. More effort would be put in to dueling vs running around the wall and hiding.
I'd like to get others opinions on this.
When I was running casting tests, 5 of those pvpers agreed the wall would be a good idea and keep it balanced and more challenging, especially with swing speed being faster. I understand sometimes you won't get a kill as easy cause someone dodged you. -- I am not against removing it, but....
Quote from: zaxarus on February 06, 2015, 04:15:10 PM
Yes, please.
No need to explain..
Actually you do if you're voting to remove it. Thank you.
Sure lets start a poll.
Quote from: Konstantine on February 06, 2015, 07:40:04 PM
I'd like to get others opinions on this.
When I was running casting tests, 5 of those pvpers agreed the wall would be a good idea and keep it balanced and more challenging, especially with swing speed being faster. I understand sometimes you won't get a kill as easy cause someone dodged you. -- I am not against removing it, but....
Quote from: zaxarus on February 06, 2015, 04:15:10 PM
Yes, please.
No need to explain..
Actually you do if you're voting to remove it. Thank you.
Because it's a duel. And not running in circles for minutes.
love the wall... forces you to move... imo not really a fight if you just stand there and smack each other
Quote from: Drake11 on February 07, 2015, 01:19:39 PM
love the wall... forces you to move... imo not really a fight if you just stand there and smack each other
That's why you never join Daily? Cause you love the wall? ^^
On Topic:
Forces you to move. Yes it does. After the opponent who circles the wall and does nothing else. Where exactly is the tactical aspect there? Curious.
off topic: how little you know about me doing daily lol
on topic: is it not a strategic activity to catch your opponent?
on topic: It is, when there are obstacles.. and not a dumb wall that has a single purpose: To make a fight last longer. Not to make it more interesting. ;)
off topic: Ok i am sorry. Where are you in that list then? Assuming you win the fights?
on topic: sure it makes it more interesting, suppose a newer player that is more adept at movement fights an older player that is not? it changes the entire fight altogether.
off topic: you should try checking the tops of all the lists
The wall is a great addition to the daily pvp. If it wasn't for the wall most players would just get slaughtered. The wall brings in tactics which makes it way more interesting. If you have no wall you can just hit a macro and walk away knowing your opponent can't hide...
Drak, there is just one daily list and for weeks we can't find you there (it resets itself frequently). But i let you yours and you let me mine. lol
finis.
About that wall:
Sure, but it doesn't change the outcome if you fight that newbie (like in Drak's example). In the end he will lose the fight and all he was able to do was buying time.
I agree so far that it CAN be a strategic element. But the same time it can be "abused" or "exploited". We've seen this: Players literally running in circles around the wall w/o even attacking or casting. Just moving around.
It would make more sense, if you want this strategic element, to place one or two smaller obstacles, pillars or something.
I have never seen it exploited so I wouldn't know. But you try and run circles around the wall on me, and I guarantee you are not gonna be running for long.
What's wrong with a quick fight? If one of the fighters is clearly stronger/better. If both are even the fight will last longer. Always was like that and the Wall is just annoying if someone who is clearly not as strong as the other one can stretch a fight (with the same outcome in the end anyway) can use it to hide. What's the 'skill' in running away? Oh right.. running away... ;)
agreed outkast, you can try to run around in circles, wont be doing it long lol, the aspect of movement is an integral part of pvp, if you stand around in a fight your gonna get whooped no matter what
and sure tys, you antagonized it, i finsihed it, we can stop now if you want
Of course... lol ::)
Let's make a poll, like Jo suggested. If it stays, you join Daily. Get your name finally on that list. :D
sure make a poll, but i still wont do daily, i generally leave that for folks who need practice
Quote from: Drake11 on February 07, 2015, 02:40:58 PM
sure make a poll, but i still wont do daily, i generally leave that for folks who need practice
This is too funny now. :D
im just posting my opinion on the matter, not sure why folks keep trying to turn this into a flamefest, must not like me or something lol, but it is what it is, the wall should stay imo, great addition
If you don't join daily your opinion does not count. Could we get a moderator to delete the post please.
Oh i am absolutely not flaming, i am amused.
But why post if it does not affect you? Since you dont even go there, what do you have from the wall staying there?
Complaining is all I hear. Great job on the wall it is perfect for pvp, instead of just throwing two players in a closet size arena. Which requires no skill but hitting a macro and hoping for the best...
geez talk about upsetting the hierarchy, you dont have to gank me on the boards, you try to gank me enough in game, just waiting for the everyone cast flamestrike command lol, i thought all opinions mattered, youre just trying to filter out opinions that you dont like, as always, plus ive probably won daily more times than you guys have done it combined, so id say i have a bit of knowledge on the matter, at least the battles are off atm, dont have to worry about you guys queing up and letting a preset person kill everyone to exploit the system lol
I thought this is an open discussion? In the end Kon has the final word, so we could just stop. Or state our opinions. What i did...
It is a duel arena. Not a circus, not field.
And Drak, finally we reached what it was really about.^^ Thank you!
If this thread leads to no where but a flame war consider taking down the wall and allowing wall of stone to be cast. By far a more tactical move on the side of a player and it can be countered with dispel field not a game of ring around the rosie.
Moderator pls keep this thread on topic.
love it when ya post random stuff because ya got nothing to say about it, and as i said, i posted my opinion, you started taking shots, then begged your guild to get on here and start taking shots, just to try to enforce your opinion, its not going to work, sure take the wall out if you must, it wont matter too terribly much, just gives everyone the opportunity to make it as even as possible, as i also stated, the amusing thing is, everyone sees you starting it, but me giving point to point reasons as to why its good, and you just attempting to flame me, a circus? really?
I'm pretty sure i can talk for myself and don't need anybody to tell me to. I posted MY opinion on this and that's it.
You might have overlooked that i suggested different obstacles (instead of a wall that covers almost the whole line of sight), like pillars for example. Then you have SKILL, not running in circles.
You might have overlooked that i've tried to explain that it does not matter if you are fighting a newbie.
You might have overlooked that i agreed to that "strategic element" (in certain boundaries, since the wall can also be used to run, run and run w/o even engaging). That's why, see above, i suggested smaller objects to make it more interesting.
Instead you do what you do best. That's okay. I mean, there must be something for everyone.
sure fala, and as i said i stated my opinion, you flamed me first, end of story
Oookay... Last time i thought about it i was an independent thinking person with my own opinions, wheter you like it or not that women can think. ;) But that does not belong here i guess. I don't like that Wall and that's because I don't like it and not because of others. All i did was asking you why you want it there so bad if you dont even go to the daily. If that's considered flaming.. ok then i live with that.
From my personal experience when I pvped with 4/8, the wall was annoying when I was top tier and no mid-level pvper could have a chance, basically just slaughter... But when I was a mid-tier player (haven't played here for years and best of everything) I once and awhile could beat a higher level player as using the wall is a skill in it's self and if I could time things right then I would have a fighting chance and in turn was more fun with a veteran.
But the main reason I stuck it there was I wanted to make a pure dexxor viable.. Have any of you built a full dex char and tried it? It makes a difference if wall goes down and mage dumps full on the dexxor before he can run there.. If there is a wall up -- it makes both viable? (I understand that nobody with no skill cap would be a PURE dexxor here, but you know what I mean)
The wall is a different skill set. No doubt.
The vantage goes to players with archery weapons as it is as they have a 1s when the target comes in range.
@Kon:
That's what i basically said: The wall comes into effect if you are fighting someone who can use it to compensate other weaknesses, yes, i fully agree. Same time it can be used by a newbie to stretch a fight, while the outcome was clear before the fight even started. Also i have experienced two duels (and others also did) in which the opponent was running in circles around the wall, w/o engaging. What did i do? I just stood in a corner and waited until he was tired of playing circus horse.
That's why i think the wall has (not only literally lol) two sides. On the one hand it CAN be of tactical value, on the other hand it can be used as a kind of exploit: If you just use it to stretch a fight, not even attacking or casting.
So far i didn't fight someone using magery only. So far i think James is the only one trying to build a pure mage, waiting for some changes Noll wanted to apply. (Another topic.)
And one personal thing:
Drak, Fala decided on her own to post here... might surprise you, might upset you, but as she said herself: Women can think... ;)
as i stated, i like the wall for the very reason kon said, it adds an element of strategy to it as well that is imperative i think to any 1v1 match, archers do not have an advantage at all, a disadvantage maybe because there base of existence relies on range, which the wall makes more difficult to work around, but i dont really sit and shoot arrows, its not really old school which is the way i play, kon too it would seem, i just like to add insight to the ranting really, maybe you dont like it, but it does help balance the equation a bit
and others: are you really trying to turn this into some kind of sexist post in order to keep me from posting or something? not sure of the point there, youre getting pretty far out there
I wonder if I removed 1 of the walls if it would help, meaning it would only have 2 tiles of wall instead of 3, much shorter. -- I have done this in game, try it out? it's a very short wall so it's massive skill to stay out of line of sight the whole time. Basically if you can move like that and trick your opponent, you deserve it..
Tys yes someone just running around is annoying, but the truth is you just didn't want to do it so turned to standing in the corner. You could run back and forth on the end of the wall and killed him as your line of sight is clear. I sympathize with what you're saying about this regardless.
Nope ;) Just saying MY very own opinion on this like everybody else does.
Quote from: Konstantine on February 07, 2015, 03:59:30 PM
I wonder if I removed 1 of the walls if it would help, meaning it would only have 2 tiles of wall instead of 3, much shorter. -- I have done this in game, try it out? it's a very short wall so it's massive skill to stay out of line of sight the whole time. Basically if you can move like that and trick your opponent, you deserve it..
Tys yes someone just running around is annoying, but the truth is you just didn't want to do it so turned to standing in the corner. You could run back and forth on the end of the wall and killed him as your line of sight is clear. I sympathize with what you're saying about this regardless.
This is basically what i've suggested: A smaller wall (or pillar, whatever). So the people who scream "SKILL" can show it.
yup kon that could work well also, give it a shot and see what happens, my assumption would be more complaining from certain ones, but cant hurt to try it, i sympathize with him also, cant be arsed to run around a little bit, so he resorts to sitting around doing nothing, but in the end the wall can be changed as i said it matters little to me, i used to do daily all the time when i needed pvp coins, but as i dont any longer ive no desire to do it
to fala: good for you
Would like that the flamewars here ends. No personal attacks etc... Only suggestions/ideas/feedback on the wall itself please.
thank you noll
Thanks for all your comments and testing. I think we have something that will work for now by meeting half way and adding a tad of strategy to the pit.