Is there any perspective / progress concerning the "new lands" where we're supposed to get some more crystals out of monsters? Just asking...
The crystal situation (and it's more about energy crystals than anything else) is really bad. I refuse to pay pbucks for imbuing materials and i think so does the majority of players.
Inverting consumes tons of other crystals (you also need) or relic fragments (you need). There are no vendors selling (energy) crystals. And if there are they are overpriced - understandable, cause especially energy crystals are extremely rare. You need them for all the casting / stamina stuff. You waste them in minutes.
And i am asking NOT for myself. But i am not able to help anyone anymore to get his imbues done.
This is really bad.
Ty.
I agree on the rareness of the crystals... It took me about 2-3weeks of gathering crystals at least 1hour per day... It wasn't enough to do even 10 imbues on a jewelry... I can't imagine myself spending hours and hours per day for weeks to get one piece done, and then add tiering on that also... This is only my opinion but yeah pretty extreme. Maybe higher the drop rate for crystals till the lands come and then put it on same drop rate as now or maybe even lower when the new lands come with higher drop rate? Just an idea...
Ty Grim.
And i wanna add something else (forgot that):
I wouldn't care so much about crystals and their miserable drop rates... But you need them for every single property.
I actually do not agree with this at all. Their are many ways to get crystals. Inverting and transmutation make it easy. Maybe your hunting the wrong things....
Again this is not towards you personally but rather then helping them by giving them crystals maybe help them by telling them what to kill.
If you feed a man a fish he eats for a day but show him how to fish he eats the rest of his life.
Think outside the box. I have found ways to get crystals of each kind and get my gear going pretty decent in the past few weeks.
It's not supposed to be easy. It's supposed to be END GAME mechanics.
But the point is that you spend your mats on crystals and need to collect the same mats again while transmutatin and inverting. And well would be nice if you shared your ways to us in here lol as I sometimes get personally very frustrated after days of hunting blood eles/ Poseidons/ Ancient wyrms to get those energy crystals and get none... Then are days that i get 3 energy crystals in 1 day... And rest days i get 0... So please would be really appreciated. I'm just talking about my personal experience, dunno how it is for others but I find it pretty extreme and i'm comparing here gearing how it used to be and how it is now with crystals. I'm pretty sure everyone who knows the old system agrees with me that it was much less time consuming and faster to get geared than it is now or even fully imbue 1 item.
Come to think about it a very good friend of mine came back last night and we were all having a guild discussion of what he needs to get geared up. Crystals were NOT among the top things we told him to get us to gear him up.
I feel their are more then enough ways to get crystals besides hunting in tram. Every time I walk into a Fel dungeon for whatever reason I leave with a few earth crystals. Get your skills up and change earth to energy or fire. I do this very often, if I lose a few Oh well get more. Fully imbuing your stuff is the last thing in the game that takes time. Please don't make it easier.
You just proved my point Grim, you chain the same 3 things looking for crystals.... Theirs WAY better ways to crystals chaining those specific mobs. I have told many of my ways to MY guildmates that I've known for along time. Telling my secrets to the public seems silly. I've been playing for a LONG time and you just gotta figure out what works. I've yet to but crystals unless I felt lazy that day. Also the only reason I'm not selling them is because I'm helping others gear up.
Quote from: Tyrone Biggums on April 14, 2014, 10:53:57 AM
Also the only reason I'm not selling them is because I'm helping others gear up.
And that's my point. I am playing here for more than 1000 days so i know how it works, thank you though. :)
Of course i KNOW where to get them, i KNOW how and what to invert and i tell others where to hunt for crystals.
It's not about imbuing a single property...
In the end it's this:
Back in the day when there were no crystals it was about Relics and Void Orbs being so rare. And A LOT of people have been - with right - complaining. And it has been changed. That's a fact.
BUT:
You need crystals for EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY and this is what makes it very different, compared to older days. Especially energy crystals are needed for TONS of properties - and not the unimportant ones by the way.
So don't worry. I don't need any secrets because there are no secrets.^^
What i want is a practical way to obtain crystals without losing my last nerve.
QuoteIt's not supposed to be easy. It's supposed to be END GAME mechanics.
1st:
I am not talking about "easy". It is still easy. No challenge at all. Except for your butt, when you are hunting for hours easy monsters to maybe get what you need.
2nd:
Yes.. it was supposed to be. And this is why everyone is (fully) imbued?^^
Ok, if i am wrong i can live with that. My own stuff is finished for a long time now. But don't expect me to help anyone with their stuff. I will just tell them where to go and come back empty handed. ;)
My final point is that we really need new ways.
And no one should tell me that Imbuing is luxury. It simply is not. Everyone needs it. Need = no luxury.
Who said anything about a luxury? Twisting my words?
If it's "easy" as you say then why change it? Contradicting yourself..
I've never bitched about relics or void orbs. If you don't like the grind buy them...
Hunting for hours without one? Sounds like your hunting the WRONG things. Easy as that.
EDIT: I'm only 966 days here. :P
With "luxury" i was not refering to you. But to other statements of the past.
Alright. I will stop trying to make my point. No problem at all. (For me at least.)
:)
Ofc it's EASY to kill earth eles and other eles... Liches and all those low mobs... But the time it takes! That's the thing here, you need to kill thousands and thousands of those... Ok it shouldn't be easy to get fully imbued, ofc, and to new players who don't get help i don't think it's so easy. But really i don't think there are any right or wrong mobs to kill to get crystals as i've noticed every single one of them drops crystals. But i personally don't enjoy it ofc as i've never been interested on PvM so why should i lol! But yeah anyways, it used to be collecting about 10mats for 1 property to imbue and that took about the same amount of time as getting 1 single crystal now and you need 3 of them for every single imbue. That what i think is the frustrating part and to spend tons of relics or tons of crystals to get crystals also makes the frustration and time consuming annoying. It's like void orbs were over a year ago, like so insane they cost 1.5mill each and this also reminds of the old old days when it took you over a year to collect money for a castle... (And that was over 10years ago but still :D ) Well maybe we just let Kon, Noll, Vor decide? And anyways i'm just excitedly waiting for the new lands to come.
UO is and should remain a time consuming game. Crystals, runic kits, relics, stealables, etc. should require effort in order to acquire. EVERYTHING can not have a high drop rate.
Imbuing is a key aspect of the game, but a perfect suit is very much what all characters are striving for. I put weeks if not months into my old suit, it was much slower in the past when relics and void orbs were the choke point. It is now possible to spend an hour out in the field and imbue at least one piece at a time completely. While you may know how personally Tys, and even quoted Tyrone to profess it so, why not post this "common" knowledge yourself?
This is not a difficult shard to prosper on with some research and actual play. It is not healthy for the game for everyone to run around with the most powerful items obtained virtually free. Although some things must change over time and balance revisited, constantly making things easier is not always the solution.
It is not healthy for the game if one can log in with a new character and be able to compete with long time veterans. New characters should expect that it takes time to be on par with long time players. It is also not healthy for the game for crystals to be so abundant that some giving soul invites newer players into their guild, gives them all the best gear outside doom (easily attainable) and then imbues it up for them.
If i boot up any MMO today from UO to WoW to Eve i have an understanding that i can't play with my level max buddies until i put some time in. This should remain the same. You can already afk almost every skill to 120. There has to be a grind somewhere, and that grind should remain on the upper echelon of items.
Again there is different ways to get crystals then killin low end mobs for hours. I don't see the point in doing that what so ever. Are you trying to make it so u can afk kill low end mobs and loot crystals all day? That's what it sounds like.
Also if your telling people how to get them and they are coming back empty handed I believe your telling them the wrong things
It should not take hours to get one crystal.
In the wise words of someone that I forget. " Your doing it WRONG!"
QuoteAlright. I will stop trying to make my point.
See this?
But there is something i have to reply to. Sad but true.
Here we go:
QuoteAre you trying to make it so u can afk kill low end mobs and loot crystals all day? That's what it sounds like.
No.
So don't even try to imply something like that. Thank you. I never killed or kill anything here afk...
In my first post i was asking for the new lands etc etc. So actually i want harder monsters but better reward than what we get.
Oh, and finally now:
QuoteAlright. I will stop trying to make my point.
QuoteAlright. I will stop trying to make my point.
Its a discussion board. Feel free to reply if someone makes another point..no reason to keep trying to lock yourself out of your own thread.
People do things for all manner of reasons, can't be mad at someone for pointing out the worst of possibilities.
This is why balance changes and loot drops should be seriously thought through, instant gratification is not the answer.
Grim also replied so i wasn't only replying to u sir :)
Also when I came back and asked for advice you told me lich lords in doom. That's the last place I'd farm energy crystals because of the slow drop rate but I do appreciate the advice
I don't say you personally would afk kill mobs but if you made it easier you know for a fact someone would abuse it
Please don't take my opinions the wrong way as the are my opinions. No offense intended
Asking about new lands and saying crystals should drop more are two totally different discussions
Tyrone, it's alright. ;)
I am starting to regret these posts anyway. It was never about "it should be easy" or something. If you took that the wrong way i live with it.
But i am just saying that i won't try to further explain my concerns (on a global scale btw, i couldn't care less about crystals if it was only for my sake).
I am fully aware of certain "secrets" and "tricks". Also it was never about that.
So we better stop discussing the topic, because there are productive and there are silly discussions.
They turn silly when Person A and B are talking about totally different things.
In my personal opinion the global drop rates of crystals is too low compared to the quantities that are needed - for every single property, even those who don't consume relics.
And again... i'm not talking about "make it easier and faster". A few adjustments though would make so much sense, i can't tell you how much. ;)
My last word on it. Sorry.
The End.
The "New Lands" and the droprate of crystals are no different discussions because they are supposed to drop better/more there. So that's what we're all waiting for. ;)
Could breathe life back into the now abandoned renowned champs by topping up thier hp to about 50k each and having them guarentee a single crystal each..
Or even just guarenteeing them on champs and peerless's like the way it was with relics before unravelling. (farmable but difficult/time consuming)
Im not gonna try and adress anybodys points here coz really thier all valid and correct in thier own respect and id bleet on all day.
Id like to see the transmute crystal ratio go to 3-1 personally
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i felt the same way biggums.
The OP is about asking that drop rates be adjusted. While there is a discussion further down the thread about anticipation of the new lands, or even changing things now until the new lands come out, they are ENTIRELY different conversations.
Quite simply one discussion about crystals doesnt include all topics concerning crystals, especially when certain things are dependent upon content we do not have.
Until we have patch notes for the new lands it isnt even worth discussing what may or may not be, but it is certainly an entirely separate and thread worthy topic.
Anyone who posts a suggested balance or game change should expect their idea to be assaulted from all sides. It takes many minds to see things from all angles of perception.
Your passion is fascinating.
QuoteYour passion is fascinating.
Then you must be in awe of my reading comprehension.
http://www.pandorauo.com/community/index.php/topic,10406.0.html
Im exhausted reading these posts in this topic :'( "Beam Me Up Scotty"...Nigel