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aye .. and i just heard gizmo in vent .. and it seems he's genuinely upset that police did this .. it had to be one of them with gm access ...

giz .. if ya hand no hand in this .. i apologize publicly for thinking that ya did

kon will get it sorted

it's not you that has to apologise kon, it's the moron's that did the hacking/messing the shard up

this will be one of those things we get through and come out of stronger ... for the gizmo/police/trinsic mayor crowd ... seems my disgust, concerns and misgivings were well founded

it's quite one thing to disagree with a server/it's staff/owner, and leave and start your own server, it's a completely different matter to come back and screw over not only the server, but the many folks in the community at large who dedicate time and effort to play and have fun here

i'd rant for longer but know i get carried away  :lol:

there were other sets of voting stones originally ... i know 1 set existed by brit bank, not sure if there were any others ... i forget why Kon consolidated them all into the one set in insula, server stability or easier to track fraudulent voting

having donated equals questioned asseninely

lynet

everyone's watching exploiting resource witchcraft

ktgoi

just usual 'don't know krap'

kdyrz

juvenile little rants are komical

toith

meh .. they were never of any threat, especially on a no skills cap server .. all ya do is stand back 6-8 tiles and cast telekinisis

the way the new t-chests themselves have been reworked in terms of loot etc is awesome ... i now actually go and do a few here and there instead of even a level 6 previously being almost worthless

they usually try and give notice, it might be that something needed attention swiftly ... it's their goal to make things better, not to mess with us :-)

the server runs on dallas, usa time

Anyhow I totally agree that there are waaaaaay too many gray areas on what is legal and what is illegal. I really do hope that Kon and Giz take the time to draw up very specific guidelines for the shard on exploits and then update the webpage and forum to reflect that.

thank you for bringing a voice of reason to the table :-)

As to Heartwood quests: I paged a month and a half ago about someone afk at the fletcher, but like all my pages, it went unanswered. I suppose it's because they have limited staff and are extremely busy, so don't feel like constantly checking heartwood to see if people are afk or not. I'm not staff, but I would make it illegal.

but this is my exact point ... it's NOT illegal to afk craft the heartwood quests

i'm not saying i'm a big fan of them, and personally i don't use them myself, though that's more a case of me being less computer savvy than most and having an awful conn, so if i had the ability i might well be running the quests in heartwood also

but the fact is, is that like it or not, whether it's a wise decision or not, whether i personally agree with it or not, this server allows for afk scripting that doesn't involve pvp/direct gold farming

Remember grinding Ele's for hours to get a few Fire and Toxic essences? But crafting relics would be fine???

to get what i would term the 'rarer' imbuing runes like the resists needs an amazing amount of grinding, and i'm still grinding eles for them lol, also rough stones are needed and those need to be hunted for also

on tokuno tuesdays i don my luck suit, take my pet and i can get a relic frag within an hour's worth or so of hunting,

as i sed, i don't script at all, and i have an abundance (had, since after an imbuing session i'm down to 9 relic frags now, it was 26), magical essences and enchanted essences i have quite a few of, for me they aren't hard to get using the quests and unravelling all the loot from a coin boss etc i'm rambling .. my point being is that without afk macroing essences, residues and relics aren't that difficult or hard to get it's the elemental essences and rough stones that are the tough parts, the elemental essences in particular

Now if instead, I could stand there, convert a bandage to the wood by some bug and then use the wood to craft the quest item and get my reward, I would consider that exploit. Would it be easier to purchase bolts of cloth and cut them into bandages instead of running around chopping trees? Shoot yea but I would suspect this probably shouldn't happen. If I decide to do it anyway, I shouldn't be surprised if I am punished for taking advantage of an exploit.

If you use EUO to script the entire process, from gathering wood, to crafting, to completing the quest, you are still following the process. If you use EUO to make bandages, convert it to wood, craft and then complete the quest, yea, you are following the process but taking advantage of an exploit while doing it.

i wholeheartedly agree with this, the example of converting bandages into wood is a good example of what i understand to be a bug or an exploit

but that's not, from my understanding, what's happening in the least ... it seems to me to be a direct parallel to the heartwood quests ... exceptional cleavers(i could be mistaken on the actual weapon) are being made with ingots that were legitimately (though again i'd bet huge money the ingots were also gathered using an afk script, legal on this server), the made items are put into a bag and unravelled, that unravelling produces magical residue that can be used in recipes or traded up (75 to 1 is the current 'exchange rate' i think)

so just like the heartwood quests, the macro is doing all the grinding for you ...

too easy? perhaps, but whether it's easy or not isn't the issue .. my point is how can afk macroing for runic kits to make tons of money and elite weapons be legal, and yet use basically the exact same script with a modification for the items being made,and make essences, residue and relic fragments that can make tons of money and elite items be illegal?

is it just me that is seeing the inconsistency here?

this is doing my head in lol

and my response isn't a slam or a flame on anybody, least of all Mahavira who i hold in high regard ... i'm genuinely wanting to discuss how the one can be allowed, and the other not

hrmmm ... mebbe it's just me .. and i'm happy to have it pointed out to me if my rationale is wrong:

you get a bankstone, 5,000 use tool from the ingame toolkit, you go to heartwood, you run your macro that opens bankbox, gets your resources, makes your items, converts them to quest items, and you get rewards and a good shot at a heartwood fletchers kit that sells in the donation room for $30.00 all while your afk .. totally legal

you get a bankstone, 5,000 use tool from the ingame toolkit, you go to the soulforge, you run your macro that opens bankbox, gets your resources, makes your items, converts them to quest items, and you get magical residue/essences and converts to relic fragment that sells in the donation room for $10.00 all while your afk .. a bug and an exploit?

be happy for ya to point out the tile .. there's no intentional bug built into the place ... i know some folks using EC find it buggy/laggy in the town ... am curious if it's just for you it's bugged or for others also, if it's just for you, well ... ya brought it upon yerself

by Deadmau5 » Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:13 pm
So could anyone break this sentence down for me? I can not understand it at all:

    I dont care if Kaskade is your guild and P^M also oh yeah btw people talk all the time

lol .. i have no idea mate ... priceless coming from a pratt who in his signature tag implies i should get a spellchecker lol

btw, though we be 'enemies' in game and have our heated exchanges, i appreciate your stepping up and calling trinsic out previously in this thread

i know i should probably just drop it altogether since like i sed, i'm feeding the troll, but it bothers me that folks can come here and make any accusation they want without any repercussion for their idiotic comments ... i'm holding the light up to trinsic's face, and i don't think even he likes wot he sees