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IECM had planned to join CoM Faction upon the reset, which we did.

Why Pandora Mafia did you guys have to follow IECM into CoM??

You couldn't choose another faction ffs?? or just stay in TB with all the other "cool cats"

It is frustrating to try and communicate with alot of "The Pandora Mafia" guys then deal with responses along the lines of You guys should change factions, We own/run this shard, it's OURS.

I know you guys are all awesome, the best pvper's on the shard. But are you really that bloody Arrogant and Stubborn??

Trying to balance factions and you guys are too ignorant to join a faction with nobody in it??

Damn sure IECM wouldn't have joined CoM if there was another large guild ALREADY signed up!!

So please for fuck sake can you guys change factions or do you insist on being the most egotistical guild on Pandora?

Of course this is an online forum so please troll and flame away,

Hope the rant wasn't too long.  :)

See you guys out in Pandora!

Articus

That is a lot of hate.  However we had plans of going CoM ever since we were told factions would be reset.  We did not want to stay in TB because we felt everyone joined TB because we were in it.  CoM was the only faction that we noticed we saw no one in.  There is no reason we should change our plans because you got to the stone first while we were busy chasing Chronic BomB down.  My apologies for not sharing our secret plans for factions with each other.

Sadly P^M has also never talked trash to IECM about their decisions and I know some of the members even have helped out IECM with items during their career on Pandora.

Not hate, frustration dealing with certain Character traits of people,

Personally I am always willing to accomodate most people in most things in UO If it means taking a backward step, sure no skin off my back. I got the time and patience 99% of the time.

Frustrating thing when you know something is going to come to conflict,
ie. IECM and P^M joining the same Faction.

And you're the one that has to take a backward step because the other party involved is, like I said above too Arrogant and Stubborn.

One of the first things I read in game was, Well we declared war on your guild that should sort it out,

Also heard something along the lines of P^M RUNS THIS SHARD!

Come on?? seriously guys...............

So as a guy that likes to be humble and often take a backward step when things come to conflict,

I say fuck that why should IECM be the ones to leave??

Slightly hypocritical I know, but man it just pissed me right off........

Please discuss further.....

Everything is temporary, best pvpers today are not the best tomorrow =)

For the record.... Ol' Bobby D wanted to go Minax, I like their Horses better and the only people in Minax are the bad little |C| guild or w/e they are.... but w/e let's all just have some fun

its obvious they scared of anderson and rage combo :D   so they joined com. have a nice day :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

That's gotta be the reason why!  :shock:

P^M does not run or own this shard.  Konstantine has that well covered and does an excellent job at that.  What P^M does is add some spice to this shard so that people have a reason to be afraid of Fel faucets.  Even with a guild like us plenty of people can get spawns off nearly all times of the day if they chose too try.  Counting the number of active players in P^M comes out to around 8.  The times that we have 8 players on is extremely rare, its more like 3-5 players on typically.

I know P^M doesn't run the Shard, everybody knows that.

It's what P^M members were saying to me ABOUT THEMSELVES,

WE RUN THIS SHARD, IECM SHOULD CHANGE FACTIONS NOT US!!

not an actual quote, just summing up the message they were trying to get across,

they only fight when the odds are in their favor we just proved that in spawn. they scared of icem lets just declare war  on them and watch they refuse.  think bobbby klone  aand kasade all fell to rage  statin sticky...  they had too call for reinforcements

Quotethey scared of icem lets just declare war on them and watch they refuse.

Funny, we have had a war declaration against you pending for your approval for about a week now.

IECM, isn't that Stillwater's guild?

Seriously, I cannot see the reason why you're so concerned about P^M being in CoM with you.

QuoteYou couldn't choose another faction ffs?? or just stay in TB with all the other "cool cats"

"Hey, i got here first, get off, it's mine". Kinda childish ain't it?

Thing is: we planned moving to CoM just right after we got word of the reset, and as stated before, the only reason we didn't join CoM before you guys did was we were chasing down Chronic BomB in Yew while he joined SL.

QuoteSo please for fuck sake can you guys change factions or do you insist on being the most egotistical guild on Pandora?

Why us? I mean...who's all angry because there's another big guild in the same faction they are?

I think we need to move TB base out of Brit, and put it fuck knows where. That way random trammy who wishes a faction robe will not auto-join TB.  This will solve a lot of the problems with the faction, and respectable guilds will not feel an aversion to joining it.

So we stay in the same Faction but declare war between the two guilds?

I guess, does that makes sense........?   :roll:

Not sure what that means out in the field? haha

Aaliah actually brings up a very valid point.  P^M has not complained about being in the same faction as IECM.  Its IECM that has the problem with us.  IECM can't make us quit and we are not asking for IECM to switch factions so what is the problem in the first place?

Waring is different from factions as you can't hide from guild wars.  We would love for every guild to declare war with us but we can't make them.

Quotethey only fight when the odds are in their favor we just proved that in spawn. they scared of icem lets just declare war on them and watch they refuse. think bobbby klone aand kasade all fell to rage statin sticky... they had too call for reinforcements

I'm assuming this is either Lil Sticky or Bullfrawg, I'll go ahead and say that the events did not go that way. Its trivial to go into details, but the only one to drop was one of our alt pvmers. As far as "

Quotethey only fight when the odds are in their favor

", we've had some awesome fights, my favorite so far has been a 2 v 4 (2 p^m vs 4 IECM), I'll go ahead and say you guys have gotten a lot better from what I remember. I hope you guys continue to bring some good fights.

Quoteits obvious they scared of anderson and rage combo  so they joined com. have a nice day

Lets address this first lol... Anderson is a good pvper, I have to respect him for how far he has come a long from when he first started pvping.. As for bullfrog... lolol, thats a joke in its self. There is no reason on this planet that we would be scared of him, nor anderson.

Now that thats out of the way, we can talk about this CoM thing.. Like other members of P^M have stated, we had plans from the get go to join CoM. It's not our fault that you tried to suprise the server by joining factions. You could have made it known that you were going to join factions by joining factions long before the reset lol.

For the war.. Like deadmou5 has said, we declared on ICEM about a week ago when we declared on BOG and UO. Think we even declared on C|S at that time. So go ahead and accept that please.

P^M never said we run this shard so stop trying to accuse of this. Get the facts stright before you sum it up. Thank you  :D

IECM can't war, too many players that enjoy PvMing without risk of attack. So that's not going to happen.

For know we will be in CoM but we will eventually have to leave to try and even up the Faction system i guess.....

Sorry for the Rant, I enjoy playing with many of P^M layers and have a lot to thank them for throughout the last few months. It has been fun times. :)

I know UO is a game for all ages, I just get annoyed at people with overflated egos and insecure minds, whethere in UO or RL. Not saying this is P^M players, Just saying it is society in general and there is an abundance of it at Pandora

Lets have some fun!

Who cares if you're a roxxer or a fucken Ultra newb come join the pvp events and factions,

And please quit it with the Res-killing just to make your Number of kills a little higher!!

Fun, yes I remember now :)

QuoteYou could have made it known that you were going to join factions by joining factions long before the reset lol.

tried joining factions before the reset but none of the factions would accept us ... kept getting messages from faction stone about imbalance ... pm'd gizmo about it and he said to wait until after the reset, which we did ... evidently my ESP wosn't working well enough to know you were joining CoM also

Quotewe declared on ICEM about a week ago So go ahead and accept that please.

our guilds have differing goals ... my personal experience has been that many (definately NOT all) of P^M will gank/kill at any opportunity, which is fine ..it's a part of the game ... all of your players with the exception of a few crafting/gathering alts, are dedicated to PvP, and hence your well-earned fearsome reputation

many of our players PvM, or we have folks such as one member is dedicating an exhausting amount of time to making a huge rune library which will be open to all at the guild town ... i'm not subjecting those members to your ganking at every opportunity

to satisfy your lust for conflict we joined CoM faction so that a state of PvP could exist between our guilds that had a purpose behind it ... being in the same faction is counter to that

it's just that simple

Just because we're in the same faction, doesn't mean we can't still fight. We haven't observed a loss of punkte when we get you guys.

if ya don't get it, ya don't get it ... we (iecm) will figure something out

end of topic

What is Punkte?

tried searching for it and got nothing......

"Punkte" is, in german, "points" and it stands for factions points, you get by killing little opposing faction members.

IECM is that not the play run town thats suppouse to be open to the public ,yet has an underneath part that is totally private?

Hey, no one is speaking for -all- of IECM, not even our own members; we're all kinda corporately individual. I really couldn't care less who's in CoM, TB, Minax, SL, TLC, FFS, B(B)L, or W^E .. even a war with whoever. Hell, I work too many hours and work on IECM's/my rune libraries too much to even notice anyway. None of this changes my ingame play unless you loot my pack of 80 organized in columns and rows blank runes. Ya, then I'll notice.

Way I see it is Kon runs the shard and we all get to play on it. I just thought it was funny that Bull and Serenity were in the same faction because I think they secretly have an affinity for one another. We should have a UO Emulator wedding or something for them and shower them with faction silver.  Love/hate is a beautiful thing. Well, the S^X is anyway. :lol:

No beef here with any of you guys .. even you f*ckers in IECM  :lol:

Why do you want to go into the 'underneath part'? lol Why would that area concern anyone when the rest of the place is freely shared with everyone? Is IECM asking too much by having something for it's own members .. in its own town? Even a Wal-Mart has 'employees only' areas and it's public. You can't just walk into the maintenance area of a park. So what's new about anything like that?

Maybe we're storing brooms and mops there. Want to work for IECM as a custodian? lol

Why do you want to go into the 'underneath part'? lol Why would that area concern anyone when the rest of the place is freely shared with everyone? Is IECM asking too much by having something for it's own members .. in its own town? Even a Wal-Mart has 'employees only' areas and it's public. You can't just walk into the maintenance area of a park. So what's new about anything like that?

Luna is also a public town with the samethings "your town " has no diffrences.If its a public town it should be open to all the public. This is like Insula locking the tailorshop only opening it to me. Are you prejudice toward elfs is that it?Plus u have a floor model resource box like the 1 insula above another resources box?

QuoteIECM is that not the play run town thats suppouse to be open to the public ,yet has an underneath part that is totally private?

trinsic mayor .. you're way off topic but your absurdity needs to be adressed

Corp Mani is a player run town that is available for the whole shard to visit ... it was paid for by donations, and Kon arranged to have it built ... you too can donate to have houses linked together for $20 a pop, though due to server stability not sure he'd build a town again, and for the record, i have offered to pull the town down if it effects server lag/stability to any detrimental effect ...server before private issues


due to the fact that i have a busy work life, i haven't been able to get the public bits of the town up and running as swiftly as i would like but here are a few projects we are collectively as a guild working on, with some members almost exclusively dedicating their game time to it:

the most extensive rune library on the shard, it is located in the white marble floor area and the area underneath, the secret devious hidden underground area lol, which in reality is just the ground floor of the 18x18's with some design work

the area above that rune library was designed in case, for some reason anybody on the shard wanted to hold a town hall type meeting

another member is putting together a library of written books about all the peerless ... where they are, how to collect the keys etc etc

yet another is copying/pasting info from sites as to wot do do at the various levels to get to 120 in each skill

bottom line is, is that hopefully it will be a resource available for the whole shard and server

the fact that we use the very north end of the town for our guildhouse is basically none of your effing business to be very candid ... every guild i know of has a guildhouse ... why you have an issue with our guildhouse being at the end of our town is pathetically laffable

and for the record, except for the very north end of the town, all of the area below is open to the public .. you've snooped around enough and tried 'breaking' in to the teleporter area enough to know this for yourself

now let's get back to having fun in game, which is the reason why i'm here in the first place :-)

QuotePlus u have a floor model resource box like the 1 insula above another resources box?

*sigh*  the resource boxes are from the donation room, paid for with pandora coins ..you also can buy 2, 3 or however many you want

the reason we have 2 is that we are a cooperative guild .. we basically pool the majority of our resources, including peerless regs and other valuables ... every single guild member has access to the front chest and can take out as much of everything as they like

since as the guild grows, the potentiual for having for  example, over 1000 peerless regs 'looted' grows, i limit the amount in the front chest so that losses would be minimised

hopefully this answers your 'concern' about 2 resource boxes

i don't know where you're even coming from on your posts, if you have an issue with what we are building/trying to accomplish for the shard, come see me in game about it .. i'll even be happy to friend you temporarily to our guildhouse so you can have a look for hidden weapons of mass destruction  :lol:

Factions are defined as "a broad game system designed to promote organized player conflict within the society of Britannia. The fundamental goal of the conflict is to provide a foundation for player conflict based upon meaningful and contextual combat and conflict-related interactions." In other words, factions are a type of role-play designed for PvP'ers. Factions were created to give PvP a real purpose, to enhance gameplay for people who like to PvP. There is a whole story behind the system and by ignoring the story, we miss out on the fundamental reason that the faction system was created.

The faction system is divided into 4 factions: 2 Good and 2 Evil. Each has a different alignment: Order Good(TB), Chaotic Good(CoM), Order Evil(Minax), Chaotic Evil(SL). These factions are meant to war over the Felucca Facet. The two good are meant to protect innocents, while to two evil are meant to kill them.

True Britannians are supposed to be the weak ones who are afraid to fight. This caused the rift between TB and CoM: "The Council of Mages broke away from Lord British after the creation of Trammel. They thought that Trammel should not have been created, and that Felucca was still worth fighting for."

CoM is not fighting for the ability to player kill, their job is to kill PK's. Now what could be more mind-boggling than a PK guild, joining a faction that is supposed hunt's PK's? You should be Minax or Shadowlords. Seeing that UO is Shadowlords, I think it would makes sense to join Minax.

Who should join CoM? Well, there isn't any guild that would qualify as PK hunters. IECM is a diverse group and would probably be more fitting for us to join True Britannians, I say this even though I prefer the CoM faction. However, given that newer players and people just starting to PvP like to join factions and since they flock to TB, I think it would make sense if IECM stayed in CoM.

I think this would be balanced: Newer Players/Small Ineffectual Guilds(TB); IECM(CoM); UO(SL); P^M(Minax)?

wait Mahavira ..that makes sense!!!  

would be a good way for the varying guilds in existence to 'align' themselves with the corresponding faction

does that sound reasonable P^M?

let's put aside who wos where first, and return to the base reason for factions existing

Trinsic Mayor??????????????? Thread Hijack LOL

All of P^M plays this game for the pvping not the lore behind the pvp.  If you are all so interested in the lore then I would advise trying to find more lore junkies on a RP server.  This server is advertised as a PVP / PVM server but does not say RP can't exist.  Its just not an area of the game that is of much concern to most of the community.

Its still IECM that has the problem with us in the same faction as them.  They don't run this game but neither do we.  We are not complaining about them nor will we ask them to change factions.  

Quotelet's put aside who wos where first, and return to the base reason for factions existing

Well said.  So the base reason for factions was PVP and which is what we plan to do.

I would advise you shut your fucking mouth. Don't reply with that garbage. You could at least be civil in your reply, instead of being an up-tight douche bag.

As for being a "lore junkie," I was helping to explain the concept behind factions, as you obviously don't know shit about them. They ARE NOT just for PvP, but instead have a story behind them. If they were just for PvP, the story would not exist.

Sadly its the "pk" guild that is being the most civil about this whole situation and not trying to pressure the other guild to take action by leaving the faction.  Here is a quote from stratics:

QuoteThe Faction System is designed to promote organized player conflict within the Felucca society of Britannia and encourage the inclusion of a wide array of play-styles.

Now the base reason for faction was organized player conflict.  The inclusion of the wide array of play-styles is the crafting portion of factions and political portion of factions that results in ranks and voted leadership.  On a role playing shard this could mean good and evil but on a pvp shard this just means pvp.

We are not asking IECM to do or change anything with how they choose to play this game.  So please stop referring to us or this situation like we are doing something wrong.  As far as I am concerned all of my posts have had legitimate responses and do not attack or slander IECM in any way.

Quote the next sentence: "The fundamental goal of the conflict is to provide a foundation for player conflict based upon meaningful and contextual combat and conflict-related interactions."

Contextual combat.

Second, how is telling someone to leave the shard and join other "lore junkies," considered civil? And then you complain that IECM told you that you should join another faction. But telling someone to leave the shard is civil?

QuoteI would advise you shut your fucking mouth. Don't reply with that garbage. You could at least be civil in your reply, instead of being an up-tight douche bag.

  :shock:

QuoteI would advise you shut your fucking mouth. Don't reply with that garbage. You could at least be civil in your reply, instead of being an up-tight douche bag.

Now...
How is this civil?

lol no. I never claimed it was. But when I make a post trying to explain why it would be better for P^M to join a different faction, in an intelligent and respectful manner, and get ridiculed for being a "lore junkie" and told to leave the shard. Why should there be a civil reply?

The great thing is about not being able to edit posts is that you clearly read what I previously said.  I did not say to leave the shard and join other "lore junkies."  What I did say is that you may find other people with those interests on a RP shard.  I also said that RP still can exist on our shard but that the majority of the community chooses to not participate.  You are taking what I said completely out of context.

About being respectful.  I don't believe I have been disrespectful in any of my posts.  Isn't that a little immature too.  If you say I am not civil in one of my posts that obviously gives you the right to not be civil in your next post?

P^M respects IECM and their decisions.  We will continue to exist as we previously did exist before IECM chose to join factions.

"All of P^M plays this game for the pvping not the lore behind the pvp. If you are all so interested in the lore then I would advise trying to find more lore junkies on a RP server."

So, I should try to find more lore junkies on a RP server. Wow, completely out of context. In no way were you telling me to find more "lore junkies" on a RP shard.  :roll:

Maybe I should quote myself and ask you to read the entire paragraph not the first sentence.

QuoteAll of P^M plays this game for the pvping not the lore behind the pvp. If you are all so interested in the lore then I would advise trying to find more lore junkies on a RP server. This server is advertised as a PVP / PVM server but does not say RP can't exist. Its just not an area of the game that is of much concern to most of the community.

Did I specifically say leave this shard?  Or did I say don't try to do that on this shard?

This thread is about P^M and IECM in the same faction for PVP reasons.  We are not asking anything to be changed as we have no complaints about a problem that does not exist.

No, you never actually said the word leave. But in the correct context, that is certainly what you implied: "P^M doesn't care about your lore, we only care about PvP, go find a nice RP shard to play on." Anyone can see that.

Second, I already proved that factions are intended to be Role Played.

Lastly, it is a major problem. Not that you refuse to join a evil faction, but the fact that both guilds are in the same one. Factions were reset because of an imbalance of power. It's even more imbalanced than before. Something must be done.

QuoteFactions were reset because of an imbalance of power.

To be honest, I believe they were reset to fix a bug that made anyone unable to join any faction.

I think you're right.

But staff was constantly complaining about the imbalance of power. I even remember them telling people to quit TB or they would eliminate factions all together.

I understand and respect the argument you are attempting to make for role playing factions.  However this is not a role playing shard and you can not force other people to make decisions based on role playing reasons.  What you proved was that you are interested in the lore while P^M and a majority of others are interested in the pvp.  Factions have a history behind them but on a pvp server they exists for pvp reasons.

Konstantine said that he would like to see P^M out of TB.  After we were informed of that we chose amongst ourselves to join a faction that had the least amount of participants.  So well over a week before factions were reset we decided upon CoM.  C|S was in Minax so why would we look to join that one?  We were unaware that IECM had any intentions of joining factions before the reset along with Myaku had told various IECM members we were planning to go CoM after reset anyways.

Now that we are in the same faction we are not trying to change anything.  Please understand its IECM that has this desire to remove P^M from CoM and that P^M is not asking anything of IECM.

I guess I misunderstood when i heard someone say

We want an entire faction to ourself coming from a P^M member along with other arrogant remarks.

My bad, look what i have created........

[e scream

We can live in harmony :)

this is escalating into something out of proportion

all that it is about is trying to have a bit of FUN and balance on the pvp side of factions .. nothing more, nothing less

since p^m and iecm find themselves in the same faction it seems, to us in iecm at least, a bit contradictary to be in the same faction and yet fighting each other ... there wosn't any plot or scheme on either side to end up in the same faction, each had a valid reason from their perspective for joining CoM

viable solutions were suggested, and turned down or ridiculed ... sad to see such conflict between folks who though 'enemies' ingame, have quite a few friendships that reach(ed) across the divide of our guilds

from my side it's not an ego thing ... we will leave com and choose another faction is all, and hopefully all of us have fun out on the field ... glad that we were able to work this out reasonably between us, take each others views into consideration, and thanks for the constructive input  :twisted:

This shit is fucking roll on the floor funny.... I love it when people get so mad they start kicking their children in the head behind a video game.

WHO GIVES A SHIT which faction EITHER guild involved is in. You can't attack each other in Trammel (in factions or not) and all of P^M is RED PK'S (aside from Serenity and an alt or two) therefore we will PVP in all FEL FACETS ANYWAY. If we see each other in Fel we will fight, EVERY ONE OF US knows this.... the only people that would or even could complain is P^M cause of the fact that you can flag on us in a guard zone first with an explosion...... WHOOPTY FUCKIN DOO!!! Like I said... HILARIOUS...

JUST DROP THIS IGNORANT ASS ARGUMENT.

erm .. why did you bother joining factions then if not to have a purpose in terms of attacking/defending towns & sigils?

mebbe i'm missing the point, and i'm first to admit i ain't no expert on it, been 8 years since i stole a sigil, but from yer comments bobby yer saying p^m is just interested in a gank fest and screw everything/everybody else, factions just happens to be there and the extra faction bonuses help in having an upper edge in the gankfest, even if it be against fellow faction members?

no bro I'm not saying that at all, maybe it came out wrong cause I'm tired of looking at this bullshit wall of tears over the last 3 days. As far as I'm concerned we'll pvp in or out of factions, I could give a rats ass if we're faction mates, and rightfully so...... we're not in the same guild, therefore we're enemy's in fel facets right? and I'm sorry but I dont gank normally unless it's a field fight with multiple people.. which is also where you get res kills in the [pvpstats that everyone seems to cry about. as far as ganking...... right.... let's not even get that started...

again, mebbe i'm wrong .. but when i did factions many many moons ago everybody in the faction worked together against the OTHER factions .. sometimes a couple of factions would have an  informal alliance against a stronger faction and the pvp within the faction system was a boatload of fun as ya attacked/defended towns and sigils against the other factions .. all i'm seeing bobby, and seriously, correct me if i'm wrong here cos sometimes i don't see the forest for the trees, by saying ya don't give a rats arse whether we're on same faction side or not is reinforcing my point that factions for you/p^m is just a mechanism to get some more stats to carry on your gankfest, the purpose of factions itself is somewhat lost .. and that's all good and fair .. not bitching about it, it's all a part of how the game runs and am fine with it .. just wanting to make sure we're all clear about it is all

That is very truthful that P^M is in factions for the extra pvp that it allows us inside fel guard zones as well as the benefits of factions itself.  Just because a guild kills other faction members doesn't prevent that faction from succeeding and owning all of the towns.  They can't pk that faction in town just only in other Fel zones.  Factions have ALWAYS been about the extra pvp that it adds but guilds in factions have killed each other in the passed for even more pvp.

Dleatherus  get off your high horse champ considering they just fixed a resource glitch.So it does look kinda bad for you with the 2 items in question stacked up 1 on top of the other. Plus once again luna has a rune libary house that everyone uses so your wrong on that aspect.Lets not call it a player town lets call it what it is a glorified guild house then.Also why did your teleporters get wiped for a day ..... people usually dont wipe things unless something is wrong with them?Im just saying people are not as dumb as your hoping they are.
                          Also im sorry for jacking this post to whoever cares just a few things i have been wondering about for 1-2 weeks.I pretty much got the answers i thought i would on the subject.

Trinsic Mayor

What the..........??


 :roll:


I Pmed you ingame I'll friend you to our glorious guild digs,

I don't understand anything else you're saying.




A little off topic here. But i think the Problem is Dleath is Kon's GF in Real life, that's why he gets special treatment.

Sorry I had too bring it up here Dleath but it's time everybody knew.........


I hope the humor and sarcasm carries over to you the reader, I am LMAO writing this just now :)

It is the OFF TOPIC thread Trash talk allowed hahahaha

Dleath, you are my friend reading what I'm saying wrong, either that or I'm saying it wrong and you're reading what's there. As for the gankfest.. I didn't start "ganking" people until a few weeks ago when Stillwater, Bulldawg, Mahavaria, and 2 or 3 others tried ganking me in the Dojo. I didnt' bitch about being ganked, i fought them 1v5 or 1v6 for over an hour... (was a badass fight) Until they called in Chronic BomB and Silver Slug to help. I don't really "care" about being ganked, but in turn it opens the field to things such as Res Kills etc.. Cause if you gank me for no reason.... ie. I'm fighting someone else and 2 more people recall in and try to dismount gank me... so be it, all is fair in Love and War... I'm gonna res kill, and I'm gonna gank every time I see that person... my Original post on this topic was to actually try and make the peace..... as far as everyone working together... WELLLLLLL where the hell was IECM when we were stealing sigils and then returning them once they were corrupted?... JUST sayin...

Well, there's a solution to having a house being opened to completely yourself. That's this: buy your own d*mn house and don't be a scrub. Sorry, you're not the mayor there.  :lol:

QuoteDleatherus get off your high horse champ considering they just fixed a resource glitch.So it does look kinda bad for you with the 2 items in question stacked up 1 on top of the other. Plus once again luna has a rune libary house that everyone uses so your wrong on that aspect.Lets not call it a player town lets call it what it is a glorified guild house then.Also why did your teleporters get wiped for a day ..... people usually dont wipe things unless something is wrong with them?Im just saying people are not as dumb as your hoping they are.
Also im sorry for jacking this post to whoever cares just a few things i have been wondering about for 1-2 weeks.I pretty much got the answers i thought i would on the subject.

having 2 resource boxes doesn't look bad for us at all .. are you implying that WE were doing anything wrong???? you're the kind of idiot who would burn a woman at the stake in the middle ages becos she floated instead of drowning when you threw her in the pond lol

emily runs the luna library she is/was a member of the guild ... since she is basically inactive and that library isn't being expanded on, we're doing it at the town .. i'm surpised a little weaseling rat like yerself hasn't snuck into the guildhouse and seen the almost EIGHTY completed books that are due to go into the new library shortly .. once again yer so off base it's laffable

the teleporters got wiped for a day becos there wos a legitimate misunderstanding on gizmo's part as to where they pop out at ... that misunderstanding was cleared up, and the teleporters put back in .. if there was something 'wrong' with them, they wouldn't have been put back in would they my little einstein?

why don't you stop trying to find fault with legitimate players and devote yer time to doing something novel like.. oh .. i got it .. having fun in the game???

and btw ..when the rune library and resources are up and running, you're more than welcome to come and make use of them just like everybody on the shard will be able to (yes, including P^M lol) ...  don't bother trying to apologise when it's all in place, i don't think a fish's lips can make the right shape to say 'sorry, i wos wrong'  :lol:

When do we have the fundraiser to buy the mayor a home of his own? lol

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Really, I don't think anyone actually -cared- about IECM and P^M being in the same faction except that the surprise escalated into this on the forum.

Kinda silly when I've been at the hospital all day with my grandfather who had a stroke this morning and people fight over something so retarded as this shit. Well, and myself arguing with something so retarded as a self-proclaimed mayor included. Sorry, Mr Maya.  :oops:  How about getting those animals put back on Barrier Island for us?

Risk Vs Reward Had 86 replys. We only have 60 something here, :(

I think that is the real number we should worry about, forget Punkte........

Come one people this is an online foum, WE CAN do this......

Not sure what we're doing but getting some attention collectively lol

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The potential this faction had would have been staggering but looks kinda shot to hell now.

Kinda silly when I've been at the hospital all day with my grandfather who had a stroke this morning and people fight over something so retarded as this shit

I hope he is ok thats pretty shitty, but instead of insulting me for 40 mintues you can tend to that?I have dealt with people like you,and a few of your clown friends before. The first people to run thier mouths, the first to call the police.Im glad you guys  only arguement tactics are"your a real fin Sherlock Holms"(yes spelled wrong),"your fin stupid",those are some real mature statements.The next time I see a political debate on television, I will watch/listen for those lines.Also thanks for banning me from your "public town" was I the first person?That in itself should be worth a "donatable item" for a house, considering I dont own any at the current time. Well that is  according to you so everyone please help me out :cry: .

wow a lot has happened since i wrote this 4 days ago...

here is the problem with icem and p^m in the same faction(in my eyes).
the original intent of factions were to have big alliance more or less fighting
each other for the control of towns. Instead its more inter faction fighting than
fighting other factions.

p^m and icem are the 2 strongest guilds in game UO is a close third. so if you have
the 2 strongest guilds in same faction why would anyone ever want to join any other faction besides that faction...

are you with me?

that why the admins wanted to break up TB..

I come on here to have fun...

btw klone they have never won when its 3 vs 3...

and i dont wanna hear any baloney about anything i told you guys we were going com..



its up to you guys i have left factions/guild i dont feel i should be in faction just for a silly robe.

I would like some 10 vs 10 fights i remember bigger battles than that, but thats why i joined faction to fight at the bases. that's why i was pissed when we were in same faction i don't have anything against any of you except hocus pocus.. .lol


so for the good of pandora we should not be in same faction

are you with me
?

Quote from: "Trinsic Mayor"I hope he is ok thats pretty shitty, but instead of insulting me for 40 mintues you can tend to that?I have dealt with people like you,and a few of your clown friends before. The first people to run thier mouths, the first to call the police.Im glad you guys only arguement tactics are"your a real fin Sherlock Holms"(yes spelled wrong),"your fin stupid",those are some real mature statements.The next time I see a political debate on television, I will watch/listen for those lines.Also thanks for banning me from your "public town" was I the first person?That in itself should be worth a "donatable item" for a house, considering I dont own any at the current time. Well that is according to you so everyone please help me out :cry: .

Don't patronize me with your shit, dude. You don't know me or my family; I was making an illustration about how I went from serious to something ridicuous. Ya, ridiculous like you saying we had private coin mobs, have a player town that shouldn't be called one (as if you're actually a mayor in UO lol), and other topic derailing kindergarten remarks with no validity.

I wager if someone donated and Kon gave them a coin mob then that's their business and not for a juvenile tattletale to run his mouth about it.

Merriam-Webster defines 'tattletale' as:

: one that tattles : informer

Examples of TATTLETALE

   1. <don't be such a tattletale and tell me about every little thing your sister does>

First Known Use of TATTLETALE
1888
Related to TATTLETALE
Synonyms: betrayer, canary [slang], deep throat, fink, informant, nark [British], rat, rat fink, snitch, snitcher, squealer, stoolie, stool pigeon, talebearer, tattler, informer, telltale, whistle-blower


So bring some damn facts to the table the next time you want to blow on someone else's whistle and people may not make easy fun of you: facts concerning your innuendos about us taking advantage somehow of Kon's graciousness or doing anything else untoward. That kinda shit 9your accusations) really warrants some personal attention from upstairs because that's a serious matter. Like I said, have some damn facts before pointing your finger instead of poorly articulating what you wish was true in a vapid caveman parser.




As far as the rest of P^M goes I don't have any problems with them nor have any issues in sharing a faction with them. I have some friended to my house and they've been respectful of that so it's good enough. The 'field', however, is another story entirely. I let them make those decisions and I don't go hunting for any of them.

QuoteIm glad you guys only arguement tactics are"your a real fin Sherlock Holms"(yes spelled wrong),"your fin stupid",those are some real mature statements

i'm afraid my mature statements ran out when i politely and painstakingly addressed each of your points, had you friended to the guild house so you can see everything is fine and you make comments like ... 'see, the two resource boxes are stacked one on top of the other, that proves it' .. i ask it proves wot .. you reply that the server crashed cos of resource box exploits and our stacked boxes proves it .. i say we never exploit and ya say yer a liar and this is the proof

seriously mate, it's like trying to talk to somebody who believes the moon landings were a hoax .. they see some small easily explained abnormality, and a conspiracy is in place ... never mind how much real evidence is put forward that explains the abnormaility

and yes lol .. you ARE the first person ever banned from that section of the town ... i got tired of you telling me/us that we should make everything public .. kon specifically asked that the teleporters NOT be made public and we are respecting his request ..it wos explained to you, to your comments of 'bullshit' and 'liar'

you will still be able to use all the rune books and library resources when they go in, i do however have the right to keep idiots from my front door telling me that i have no right to have my guildhouse in our player run town :-)

may i ask why u guys even dignify a response?? i just put guys like this on ignore.  oh yes spell check works here.. so not to sure why he miss spells

/grabs popcorn
/grabs soda
 

Watches as a Thread HiJack gets a little Nutty..... this shit is funnier than Comedy Central..... I really enjoy playing with ALL of you.. yes ALL of you!

btw Trinsic... I have no beef with you bro, but throwing accusations of exploits being overlooked by Staff ie. Konstantine or Gizmo is serious business... I've dealt extensively with Kon and Giz both and I highly doubt they'd allow anything UNFAIR take place on this server.. I can almost GUARANTEE it. Just Sayin....

Why bother? because he's running his impertinent mouth in the forum -and- in [c about IECM exploiting the game. I'd like to see these accusations presented with facts before he attempts to publicly defame someone/an entity in a public forum (searchable by Google because this matters to some people more than me .. something to think about when we have players ingame with $$ and who take this far more seriously).

It's one thing to throw some weight around and 'show out' .. that's competitive guy stuff. But personal shit like that? That's crossing some barriers and should be addressed before people start picking up on it and running with it.

Thanks, Bobby. Same.

agreed bel ..it's why i tried to address each of his points individually ... but all it got met with wos 'this is proof' and 'yer a liar trying to fool everybody, but i see through your schemes' all i can do is shrug and walk away ... i shouldn't have lost my temper with him, and dropped more F bombs in 45 minutes than i usually do in a month lol, for that i take personal responsibility and apologise, but seriously, the line has been crossed when somebody is accusing me personally of hacking/exploiting and when i explain they take it as proof becos i'm a liar lol

'nuff sed :-)

Ya, I missed a day of work .. hell, my whole day seeing about my grandfather and the little prick tells me I should see to that. Dude, that worked my Tabasco  :lol:

To Trinsic
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Also this isn't a political debate.

Also while I am here. For the record I do not care whether or not we are in the same faction as P^M. I don't see why we all can't just kill eachother and be friends ^^

This is my last response about  this subject please stop  pagining me in vent,with comments,etc etc. Like i said first to run thier mouths,first to call the police.Please leave me alone stop playing victim infront of audiences , i have no interest.In your own words " piss off bloke". in my words Happy Holidays.

Oh i hope your grandfather is ok  really though .

i'm not paging you in vent .. you can see who's paging you .. enuff with the accusations

what i find amusing:

the fact that when asked in front of witnesses in vent to list your accusations you couldn't properly do so - $20.00

that when the guild town wos explained to you, you had an f-bomb melt down that made my earlier one look amateur by comparison, and that your holier-than-thou 'politicians don't talk like that' logic went out the window as soon as ya flapped yer gums with obscenities - $40

two of your guildmates came and spoke to me ... one sed it wos he who had discovered the resource box exploit, thus sinking your whole iecm conspiracy theory .. $100.00

the other apologized for you being a dick ... priceless :-)

Ya, your last post because you looked like a total dumbass and should have quit earlier. Nah, you'd rather point fingers at people who contribute their real time $$ soyour ass can talk shit about them. Good thinking, dude.

I LOVE YOU BULLDAWG

Bah! He's already in love with Serenity.

I'm not gonna do it...I'm not gonna do it...I'm not gonna do it...
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Crap I did it...

Myself as well as P^M would like to thank IECM for the decisions that have been made just recently.  We may be the most hated guild on the shard but it does not mean most of us except maybe bobby are uncivilized people.  Just because IECM by choice is leaving CoM does not mean they were forced to quit for any reason.  They are choosing to leave to help promote the growth of all factions in pvp and development.

Just because we respect them as a guild oh we will still fight them in the field as much as we can but we can agree on that there is no reason to try and start any guild beef aside from common pvp.

Again it is a thank you from myself for your decisions.

thank you ... some of members wanted to stay and duke it out with you, some of your members told me they wanted to go to minax ...

to those following the thread, the decision to leave wos iecm's alone, p^m were more than happy to gank within factions *grins*

and whereas i agree yer the most hated guild, some of our best friendships within this guild are with some of the members of p^m

as i stated before, it's not an ego thing, and my reason for the decision is that by allying with other factions against you, we deny you your uber faction gear and make fel facets a little bit safer for all ...pvp'ing against you will be easier if others have the better stat gear and you don't :-)

i appreciate Kaskade coming forward and talking to me (as well as the other few that talked to me in private), and us agreeing that we will endeavour to beat the crap out of each other and then laff about it together afterwards (reminds me of me eight seasons of playing rugby!)

*applause* to IECM. Very commendable what you have done. I missed most of this thread and have only just caught up. While it was very entertaining its good to come to a resolution.

Ty fellas, i salute you

Bobby is uncivilized!

He's like a bad puppy that's not even toilet trained...........

that guy, fark......

Look i must say I did have a bit of a Hissy fit a couple days ago, apologise for offending some people but I felt how I felt.
Lets all get back to trying to kill people

I really hope this topic can beat Risk vs Reward but i think we're runnning out of steam.

One last question from you faction folks.

Am I going to get res killed now just so peoeple can get Punkte??

Is that what factions is about? hope not........

Seeya later

QuoteI really hope this topic can beat Risk vs Reward but i think we're runnning out of steam.

we can always invite Trinsic back to make a guest appearance and put forward one of his other conspiracy theories ... his latest ones, that he was kind enough to share in front of others in vent, include 'p^m and iecm agreed in secret to join CoM together so that they could rule factions' ..erm ... einstein .. have you even read this thread???

the other one is, is that the rune and reference library that we have been working on in the background for quite a while is actually just a 'very recent and convenient way to cover up'  ... unfortunately he didn't elaborate just what it wos our dastardly scheme to launch a resource for the shard to use, is covering up ... inquiring minds want to know!

Hopefully people don't find the Meth lab down in the real basement,

I always see Arkane down there FFS!

I don't think you can get rez killed for more punkte and usually in the past we have avoided trying to kill people in stat loss anyways.  The reasons why anyone would get rez killed is if they are not in stat and prove to be a threat to us if they get suited up.

can always hijack

bye all gave my stuff away.... and deleted my acts due to real life. 6 months on here was fun...

which was odd cause i gave my suit to a p^m member....

-bulldog

Meth Lab?!?! why the FUCK wasn't I invited???

Thanks for the decision that was made by IECM to join TB and leave us in CoM.


Bulldawg.. I didn't "not like you" just gave you a hard time.... but now that you've quit behind some retarded shit I can't say that anymore.... Caue I can't stand a fucking quitter.

To getting res killed for Punkte..... Yes, some cocksuckers like Chronic Chaos will res kill you just cause he's a Cocksucker...... EVEN when it's 1 (me) vs about 9 people in Doom... Lure monsters onto you then gank you.... that's fine.... BUT THEN A RES KILL CAUSE UR JUST A PATHETIC PIECE OF SHIT? that's fucked up. Okay i'm done yelling....

No Dleath, you will not have a reskill if you're in statloss .... Not by P^M at least

The ONLY way you'll be res killed, is if.....

a. You're NOT in statloss
b. You're in a field fight with high numbers involved
c. You're wearing your armor and sitting on your mount at full health.

and to the kockbreath Kaskade...... WHO U CALLING UNCIVILIZED DICKCHEESE?!?!?! j/k <3

That's jacked up, Bull. You need to get back into IECM and stop leaving.

I've had some of my most fun hunts with you because you played those crazy morning hours and you helped me out quite a lot too. You're being a f'ker, man.  :roll:

QuoteThanks for the decision that was made by IECM to join TB and leave us in CoM

never mentioned which faction we'd be joining  :twisted:

QuoteBulldawg.. I didn't "not like you" just gave you a hard time.... but now that you've quit behind some retarded shit I can't say that anymore.... Caue I can't stand a fucking quitter

Bull, sorry ta see ya go mate, and hope you win the battle with your health that you've been fighting for the last 2 years ... if and when ya come back, you know where to come  :)

We beat risk vs reward articus.  Now whats our next goal?

FFS, Bulldawg .. wiping my vendors, bish!

when i deleted my account my vendor house dropped i didnt no it would automatically dropp

Bull gave his suit to me.   Bull best wishes to you mate, stay positive brother and make sure you come back mate. It's been fun uoing with u the  past few years. Cya soon mate

Yeah bulldog i placed a house there got 4 million in checks a bunch of scrolls 115 . That is karma for the bs i had to deal with earlier in the day.

Poop.

Quotetwo of your guildmates came and spoke to me ... one sed it wos he who had discovered the resource box exploit, thus sinking your whole iecm conspiracy theory .. $100.00

the other apologized for you being a dick ... priceless

I know Fire went up and talked to you. He is the one who discovered that explout. I'm kind of wondering who the other imaginary friend you are talking about was. No one else went up there in public chat or your guild chat the rest of the night that is associated with any of us. But I forgot... you are a completely honest adult....  :?


I get that you were trying to use one of "Jerry Kid's" photos to illustrate you think Trinsic is "retarded", But it was extremely tasteless.

QuoteI'm kind of wondering who the other imaginary friend you are talking about was. No one else went up there in public chat or your guild chat the rest of the night that is associated with any of us. But I forgot... you are a completely honest adult

the other pm'd me in game, and i really appreciated them doing so, they divulged a litttle of the crap that trinsic was spewing down in the UO vent channel about me.

as for the being honest, i sincerely ask you to go through this whole thread, or indeed any of the other posts that i have made, and show me where i'm being dishonest

i addressed each of trinsic's accusations and explained them, wtf are you wanting???

i am being harsh on trinsic becos he has totally and baselesly accused me of hacking, exploiting, having some kind of deal or conspiracy going on ... it's totally out of order ... one of his posts sed ... that we were the first to start crying or running to the police or kon ..words to that effect ...the FACT is trinsic/peacemaker were the the ones who went and ran and cried about the LEGAL teleporters, they are the ones bent out of shape that we have a guildhouse in our player town, accused me of hacking with the resource box when i never knew anything about it etc etc and the proof they have .. they didn't have the common courtesy all the balls to talk to me at any time before this ballooned to where it is ..oh yeah ..if i deny the ridiculous accusations i'm a liar and that proves it ...c'mon, use a little common sense

trinsic wos invited and friended to the guild house so they could see for themselves ... unfortunately he wos being totally moronic even when things were explained to hinm, and i admittedly lost my cool and f-bombed him .. i have already apologised for that earlier in this thread ... i tried to talk to him later .. but if you were in the vent channel with us, you know exactly how he responded *sigh*

given that i don't really even know who they are, i have a complete lack of understanding why they are on this smear campaign

in order to dispell any of these stupid and ridiculous theories, i invite anybody from within the game to ask me to come over for an 'inspection' any time ...if i'm afk which is very often the case, ask one of our other guildies becos i can already see me being afk as an 'excuse to hide wot wos going on'

conversely if any of you want to meet with me in a public vent channel and discuss i'm more than happy to .. i suhggest we have a neutral observer/moderator to avoid the meltdowns lik eyesterday's from occurring

if this isn't enough, then i'm afraid you can subscribe to the conspiracy theories also, there's only so much i'm going to do when my sole purpose of being here is to have fun and to be of some kind of help to my guildmates, and by a smaller extension, to the shard itself

I really don't care about the teleporters, your house or anything else for that matter. I really only said something because that Jerry's Kids thing really irritated me. I thought you had said the second person had come to talk to you in vent.

I know you were one of the first people on this shard and you did a lot of stuff to get it going, including funding it. Unfortunately for the rest of us, the server can't handle all of us having our own guildhouses with teleporters. I know that is something that came out of time and money before the shard really had a following. A lot of us New guys don't know that. We just see what we see.

Trinsic said he would drop it and he will. Now can we all just move on and stop calling each other names?

didn't mean for it to sound ambiguous ..one i spoke with in vent, the other i spoke with in game

QuoteI really only said something because that Jerry's Kids thing really irritated me

perhaps you should scroll back and see that it wasn't me who posted the pic?

i'd still like to know where i'm being dishonest?

so far i'm getting a lot of shit thrown at me and yet when i ask anybody to specify the shit, it goes all quiet?

Quotethe server can't handle all of us having our own guildhouses with teleporters

these were only purchased 2-3 weeks ago ..wosn't anything 'old' or grandfathered in ... with the sale going on right now anybody can buy them for half the amount i paid for them 2 weeks ago .. oh ..and you can do so safely without me making ridiculous accusations that you're in kahoots with the owners, or that you're hacking or exploiting :-)

Whoops, my mistake. I apologize for fussing at you about that.

I insinuated you were lying about the second guild mate talking to you in vent. I sure would like to know who it was because that is a weasly manuever. But oh well.

As far as other people calling you a liar.. I can't speak for their beliefs. I saw what happened in your house last night. All anybody did was talk shit. I saw a bunch of moongates, one of which teleported to 2 screens away from a champ spawn in fel T2A. I don't get raided by IECM otherwise I might cry bullshit. They are legitimate, I know...because you paid for them. I don't own this server so it is none of my business. I'll just keep playing my crappy toon and donate piddly amounts if I see an item I want and can afford.

But you must admit, if you were new and stumbled upon that you would think somebody was doing something completely illegal.... which is how Trinsic got started on it in the first place. He simply didn't know and all anybody would do it talk shit rather than explain anything. Kon explained it all last night. It's done.

and I truly doubt the server could handle 150+ users with their own mini-town.

all is good

QuoteBut you must admit, if you were new and stumbled upon that you would think somebody was doing something completely illegal.... which is how Trinsic got started on it in the first place

actually, if i wos new, and stumbled upon something i'd not seen on another server i'd either think ..'wow, awesome that they can do those things here', or i'd grow some balls and bring the matter up with the home owner

as a new player i'd not be arrogant enough to think that having arrived on the shard recently, i would know everything that was allowed/not allowed, and start making the kind of accusations that trinsic has made against me ... i have apologised for the meltdown i did, he hasn't apologised for his meltdown, let alone admitted he wos wrong,  for his ridiculous accusations that generated this pile of crap in the first place

Quoteand I truly doubt the server could handle 150+ users with their own mini-town.

ah ..yer completely right there ... as the server has grown i have even volunteered to Kon to tear the town down if it causes any kind of lag/stability issues for the server .. i think i mentioned it in passing earlier on in this thread .. Kon has assured me it's fine ... of the millions of items in game the town is 'relatively' miniscule

my feeling has been, and is, that the good of the shard comes before the good of the individual, whether donator or not  :lol:

well, people are all different I guess... what can ya do?

Quotewell, people are all different I guess... what can ya do?

I stand and face my accusers and ask them to step up and list the accusations specifically so that they can be explained specifically

i can accept them apologising for their false accusations

i can accept they don't have the intestinal fortitude to do either of the above

either way i will go about having fun and enjoying the game .. hope ta see ya there :-)

I, too thank IECM for being the bigger guild and leaving CoM, we had a serious conversation in ventrillo waffling the idea about Minax. Though we've explained our side, keep in mind that we were ready for some fights over leadership of the faction. To bulldawg, I'm sorry if the drama surrounding the faction is ultimately what drove you to stop playing on the server, oddly enough you were one of my favorite enemies.

Quotebtw klone they have never won when its 3 vs 3...

To clarify, that time you raided us, it was 4 vs 3 (4 p^m vs 3 IECM)[Bobby, Bobby's Nephew, Me, and I believe Aaliah]. I haven't had a 3 v 3 on this server yet. I don't pro-actively look for a field fights yet, because I'm currently playing on a netbook.

As for this drama around Corp Mani, I find Tamer Bods to be much more interesting... And I haven't collected bods since the Tamer Bod books were removed.

QuoteAs for this drama around Corp Mani, I find Tamer Bods to be much more interesting... And I haven't collected bods since the Tamer Bod books were removed.

if that kind of crap was talked about you personally, or your guild, given the passionate P^M response to being in CoM together, i'm sure you'd have more interest .. but if it wos about P^M, i'd be yawning also admittedly lol

This is getting better and better..

/popcorn

Quote from: CherrieI get that you were trying to use one of "Jerry Kid's" photos to illustrate you think Trinsic is "retarded", But it was extremely tasteless.

QuoteYa, and your friend's a douche but that's ok, right? here's one for you too ..

(http://madeinhead.org/anism/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/they-see-me-rollin-they-hatin.jpg)

So next time if you think something's illegal you should ask a staff instead of telling everyone about something you don't know anything about. Kinda made you look .. retarded.  :roll:

How about those Taming bod books eh???????

Belegerandh if you think Trinsic is dumb, idiotic or the stupidest person on the planet... I don't give a fuck say whatever about that. He is an adult, he can take care of himself. I raise a special needs child and just felt your picture was tasteless and offensive and frankly, it pissed me off. It's not funny.

Neither of you are very adult and why I talk to you in a language you can understand and can respond to.

"I, too thank IECM for being the bigger guild and leaving CoM, we had a serious conversation in ventrillo waffling the idea about Minax. Though we've explained our side, keep in mind that we were ready for some fights over leadership of the faction. To bulldawg, I'm sorry if the drama surrounding the faction is ultimately what drove you to stop playing on the server, oddly enough you were one of my favorite enemies."


it wasnt the faction they drove me to stop playing as soon as i learned of what was going on i left icem and left com. not going to be in same faction as my enemies makes no sense
I could have reformed a pvp guild to beat u punk arses, but i am sick in real life and need to concentrate on that. same reason why i always fall behind and why i took long breaks on that other shard me and jerry used to play. I doubt i will be back this time reason i gave my suit away.. and no i not pulling  Bret favre

I will miss my icem freinds and miss getting p^m all worked up.

Come on, Mr. Favre, come back. In fact, that should be your new character name. I would hate to get raided by Brett Favre.  ;)

If everyone donated one item, IECM could re-suit you in a day. Granted you won't have your legacy items anymore, but we could get you a decent suit. Just try to only play a day or two during the week, or on the weekend, or something. You were the most liked member of the guild (well, maybe behind Dleath), and we're all depressed now.  :cry:

Ya, you jackass. We f'kin miss you and you owe me 1.3 mil for my vendors.    :lol: :roll:

Listen dickheads i didnt want to get  people in trouble but here it goes. I also asked the question who is Skald?This question was avoided like the plague when asked to you. We  i will  answer for you Skald = GM Kalden.Skald  = GM Kalden oh boy.....The reason i know this is because he once stole an artifact in the dojo from Xan.this was about maybe a month ago.He gave it back to him  awhile later wich i thought was odd. I saw him in the dojo a few days later so i started chatting him up. I asked him why he gave the artifact  back  he told me he wasnt allowed to steal things from people.I didnt quite get that statement at the time. I answered with your guildmaster said you shouldnt steal he said no and ran away.I also heard a story from a source i wont name that 1 time dj kalden pulled Skald infront of them while he was  getting pkd. I dont know if this is true nor do i care but it makes sense now.Now lets get to the good stuff shall we ?
 He created u a coin mob  that spawned every 5 mintues. Rachel(icem) was farming that shit for awhile until gizmo deleted it. I also saw Niro taking items from the resource containers furiously from one container to the other until he saw me . This was 4am eastern time the night i accidently clicked remove thyself from house in that "player town".Please tell me im lying please oh please u pushed the issues u had to keep pushing didnt you. So i will probally be banned because you "donated alot more money than I have".  Here is your proof you kept asking for  goodluck with it.

lol ... glad ya started yapping again my little chihuahua ...

let's address each point one at a time, though i'm changing the order about a bit:

QuoteSo i will probally be banned because you "donated alot more money than I have"

i think you're making a wrong assumption here ... my opinion is anybody who exploits/hacks the game should be punished/banned regardless of whether they donated or not ... i think you are sorely mistaken if you think Kon or Gizmo would choose a hacking donator over an ethical non-donator, and am happy for that philosophy to apply directly to me .. no side-stepping the issue

QuoteI also asked the question who is Skald?This question was avoided like the plague when asked to you

it wasn't avoided, if you recall the conversation had degenerated to where you had wound me up with your silly accusations, and a lot of things didn't get discussed further, this happened to just be one of those.

#1 if skald had a gm account and was abusing it, it's news to me, though obviously i also have heard rumors to that effect, from varying sources

#2 i sincerely cannot address the xan issues or the one from your unnamed source not through trying to avoid them, but because i know nothing about them

#3 "He created u a coin mob that spawned every 5 mintues. Rachel(icem) was farming that shit for awhile until gizmo deleted it"


he didn't create a coin mob for me, nor as far as i know, for the guild, though again, i have definately heard rumors about it
skald seems to no longer be playing so i cannot ask him directly ... when he was leaving he told me it was because the changes to stealth had made his playstyle of a thief/rogue unplayable, which i accepted as the reason, if it was for other reasons, i'd think only Kon or Gizmo would be aware of them
perhaps there is some truth, that i definately do not know ... i questioned rachel directly in vent about this either yesterday or the day before ... she says she knows nothing about it, and i have no reason not to believe her ... i have no way of telling if that's the truth or not, but i say this here clearly, i'd be genuinely dissappointed if i'm being lied to
again, game logs that can be seen by Kon or Gizmo will sort it out

QuoteI also saw Niro taking items from the resource containers furiously from one container to the other until he saw me

the resource containers have been explained to you .. i'll try it again ... the rear resource container holds the bulk of the guild resources ... at times hundreds of thousands of some resources .. it is only accessed by coowners of the house of which niro is one ... to minimise the risk of a member getting disgruntled and wiping out all of our resources the front container holds a small fraction of the number of resources of the rear container, and is accessible by every guild member ... niro was transferring a huge quantity of ingots from the rear container to the front so that his gargoyle alt, who is guilded but not coowned, would have access to them them

QuoteThis was 4am eastern time the night i accidently clicked remove thyself from house in that "player town

this i'm highly interested and curious about ... since you weren't friended to the house, i know because i check the list every day, how was it that you were able to walk about in a private house? ... i doubt you're a gm because then you'd know that you're wrong, and wouldn't be bringing this up ... so it leaves the alternative that you're perhaps using an exploit .. i say 'perhaps' because i won't make ridiculous assumptions like you seem to, and give you a fair opportunity to explain yourself on this point

so now that i have addressed every point, though not resolved each one since like i said some i'm not any more aware of than yourself on the rumors, i ask you fairly and squarely once again:

where am i being dishonest? what haven't i addressed for you to the best of my abilities, what is this conspiracy theory?
so far you've implicated others in my guild, and in turn i have asked them about the issues and told you the responses, but you have yet to bring forward ONE point about ME being a cheat, hacker, exploiter, liar and dishonest, and those are things you accused me of

i simply ask of you three things:

1. address issues regarding others, with the others ... the way you twist things and talk in generalities is how vicious lies and rumors, that might have started with a granule of truth, get distorted and blown out of proportion

2. address to me directly any accusations you have about me, which you have yet to do

3. address the issue of you having access to a private house that you're not friended to

I would also like to say yet again that I do not have a secret coin mob that spawns every 5 minutes. One thing I would like to know is where this coin mob is.I have offered to the GMs to search all my property for this said coin mob, I don't see where else I could hide one. Possibly the edyn in deceit is my own personal coin mob? As for me being best buddies with Skald, the supposed GM. He left the game shortly after I joined IECM. I am not going to make fun of you or point fingers. On the contrary, I am sort of flattered that such a grandeur rumor has been made about me.

ok here are the addressed facts:
you had a gm in your guild! fact of the month
second fact  rachel had a coin mob that was spawning every 5 mintues ish that was deleted by a gm. maybe you should ask that gm instead of that player? I mean i would ....
let start here:
3. address the issue of you having access to a private house that you're not friended to
       go to cor por town then do leave house you get teleported underneath. you cant acess the gate room, or the other room in question here. Although you clearly can see into both rooms easily.Circle of trans.also helps you see a little bit into  things.Look im standing right outside as im typing this but if i move in any direction its make me lose connection  :D  cool bug.

2. address to me directly any accusations you have about me, which you have yet to do
Your right i have no proof on you but your the gm of that guild yes or no? You have various reports of things going on in your guild? I thought the guildmaster wouldnt be a 50 year old child about things boy was i wrong.How did like a bunch of people know skald was a gm and you didnt that blows my mind?You know you're just playing vicitum again its getting old. The only thing you do is keep sending me pages in vent its annoying please stop.Oh you also went and told on me to kon was pretty funny.So far its everyone fault but yours? Can it be my fault also? Maybe you can blame that queer goth guys dying grandpa? Did he die yet i sure hope not maybe he was skald and kalden ... anyways

1. address issues regarding others, with the others ... the way you twist things and talk in generalities is how vicious lies and rumors, that might have started with a granule of truth, get distorted and blown out of proportion

Yeah lets ask gm kalden when he comes back...... you had a gm in your guild its not a rumor its a fact. Prove this wrong you like to say i need  proof and prove things.Yet you never proved anything i said to be " rumor ".I let this issue die for 2 days you still were talking about it.Your  pretty mad i can see it ok your just showing your guild is a bunch of cheats.

I am not even involved but I have to intervene because some of the claims are so outrageous is well it is hysterical.

I have donated to this shard along with all of P^M however you can clearly see we receive no special treatment at all.  We did have a near full guild chat ban from Konstantine for announcing certain things over chat.  No warning at all bam, chat ban.

I have no idea if Skald was Kalden or not nor does it matter at all.  Konstantine overlooks everything that happens especially with GMs.  I know that if Kalden was favoring anybody at all that would be terms for Konstantine to either fire Kalden or give a single warning.  That is how the original GM of this shard not sure their name was fired.  They made some gear for their brother I believe and once Konstantine found out he was gone and his brother.  Konstantine also keeps tabs of everyone who has large amounts of anything especially Pandora coins.  I have been on vent with Konstantine when he has simply deleted unbelievable amounts of Pandora coins from people who he knew by deductive reasoning were exploiting to gain that many.

You say its a fact that IECM had a gm in their guild and want them to prove him innocent.  I say prove him guilty in the first place before they even need to respond to your outrageous claims.  Next you are going to tell me Konstantine has a secret char in my guild.

Any issues with their player town well honestly its THEIR player town.  They could make it private for all they care they own it.  The fact they are building most of it public should be a privileged for the rest of us especially since its still in the construction phase but is very creative.  I was given access to I believe all of their town and they are not doing anything that no other player could do if they desired too.

Please Trinsic facts are based on truth in which you need to provide any evidence.  Until then they are all rumors.  Just because you had some brain activity for once which lead you to write the meaningless posts that you did does not mean there is truth behind any of it.

A few questions you neglect to answer....

Where was my coin mob? Was it in my house or in the world?

Where is my house if the coin mob was in there?

Why would Kalden put a coin mob there, especially when I barely know the guy?

Skald nor Kalden no longer play so why is this relevant?

Skald has not been in our guild for probably the past 2 weeks due to inactivity. When was this coin mob spawned?

I just want answers if I am blindly being accused. Again, I mean no disrespect to you. I just don't understand why you would pick me of all people as I am a relatively new member to the guild as well as to the server.

As for the guild house being buggy causing you to lag out. It is a few 18x18 plots stuck together? what do you expect?

Again any questions I will answer. I hope you return me the same courtesy.

Exactly why would i pull a name out of random hat?I dont know you never met you ? Never even talked in game? So why would i randomly accuse you and not some jerk like the guildmaster?

Like 2-3 weeks ago
 In the world not a house
Why dont they play anymore gm kalden?why would the gm just quit the same exact time as skald hmm?
ill i got to say is ask the gm that deleted it if im making this up......

Im not saying he just put it in for you you were just  you were the one there. For all i know it could have been there for weeks.Someone put it in with a  fast spawn timer? Did u report  it was spawning rather quick to a gm ? I mean u did kill it a bunch of times.
Now im going to drink beers goodluck

I have killed a lot of coin mobs a lot of times. Does that mean they all are bugged? I go to about 55 different coin mob locations. As for Kalden spawning it I have no doubt in that. He is a GM why wouldn't he spawn coin mobs? He probably set the min to 5 minutes instead of 50 minutes or something simple like that is my speculation. As for it being my own personal coin boss. How could it be when it is readily available for the world to kill. Also if records were checked I generally leave after a coin mob dies and do not wait for it to respawn. I just go to the next location. I also do not return to the same locations for several hours later as it is pointless to return quicker. I am not sure what you are looking for but I have no dirt laundry. Also if I was doing something illegal than Kon or Gizmo would have deleted my p coins, jailed my account or even banned me. None of which has happened so far. Also you state that you just started the server yet you know a lot about the past of this server. If you recently started the server how would you even know of skald or kalden who have been inactive for a month? My friend, I think YOU are a fraud interwined in a web of lies.

I confess!

I have three Master Theophilus Paragon chests locked down in a an 'L' arrangement. By a strange and ancient method of forced osmosis I expect to have 9 Ingenious maps in 27 days. If this works, I'll got to Delucia and Spirit Speak on the tile arrangement there via Razor for 143 days (on an alternate PC, of course) to choose the exact arties I would like in the (now) 12 maps.

No one ever suspected aliens had left these marking in t2a but I knew once I read Trinsic's and Cherrie's postings that the secret was being made public concerning extraterrestrial beings.

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lol So you f'kers deleted my account. You will never be able to compete ingame or out, with IECM.

your account was deleted?

Wow, Bel.. I was kind of disappointed last night when you just called me a "ho3" in general chat. I thought it was kind of unimaginative, even if it was coming from a neanderthal like you. This stuff though.... wow! Impressive and full of thought... and you managed to capture my good side in your picture! I love you too, sweetcheecks!

Well, I was surprised you told me to 'stfu' first lol

Ya, I'm a dick. I never denied any of that, everyone knows it so why bother? But it's all cause and effect and I called you a 'h03' for it. You guys don't keep the subject well, do you? You've failed throughout this entire topic to keep an attention span on the subjects presented.

Ya, it was deleted. I was bumped offline and when I could come back I was at character creation. I logged into a reward account (for game time rewards) and saw everyone was online and my castle was gone. My Luna house that IECM gave me was gone also and all my shit on the ground. So I was able to save the library.

This makes me think someone didn't actually log in but sent a corrupted packet to Kon, telling his server I had deleted my character. Not sure but just thinking that.

Otherwise they could have accessed 3 of IECM's player houses as a co-ownder and made a real mess.

Bleh I just don't go around telling people stfu for no reason. I'm generally a nice person to most folks. I simply told you to stfu because you were bringing up all the crap about Trinsic Mayor and he wasn't even online to provoke you. I mean yeah if he is online, rip him a new one, wtf cares? Aren't you letting him win by talking about him even when he isn't around? I know you have better things to do with your time. I'm just sick of hearing about it, really. If he had been on and done it I would have told him to stfu too.

If you were sick of it you wouldn't be following me around like a puppy to instigate me. Tell me now you don't like a neanderthal.  :lol:

That dude who was running us down talked just like him in [c and wasn't in check by any staff or anyone else. That's why I said he must be TM. If I have to swat your ass again you'll never stop pestering FFS.

but, I'm bored!  :lol:

Knew it ..

hmm I was honestly AFK so I didn't see the other jackass in [c. but I would have told him to stfu too. So I do apologize for the undeserved trash talking. When I am wrong I will admit it.

and I never said anything about conspiracies or exploits so I was a bit confused how you got me storming to compound into your head.....

but I'm bored with this now so it's my turn to stfu for a while

just wondering cause I know a couple people whose accounts have been deleted / locked for some reason

now the server has crashed >.<

That's cool. I was thinking you were both 'thick like thieves' lol No worries and I'm not ticked off about getting hacked. Just I was trusted with some stuff by my guild and I had a long friends list on my castle for folks to use the rune books, mostly for the coin mobs.

Whoever did it didn't jack with me but with a lot of others instead but the books were saved in time. Thanks to a friend in IECM helping me gather them!

The thing that -has- ticked me off is people running their mouths about us exploiting when it's been money (by many members) and hard work (by all of us). So to prove a point they have to hack. lol Ok, I guess, on that.

WOW WHAT HTE FUCK, MY ACCOUNT WAS DELETED TOO?!?! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

I'm hearing it was because of use of exploits that alot of accounts were deleted, I'd just like to know what the fuck I was exploiting... I mean I know i've been accused of speed hacking and yadda yadda yadda, but I've never done jack shit on my blue. I get killed in a combo without a shot at staying alive. I had to kill shit for 3 hours yesterday to get enough materials to just imbue a cleaver. and never had more than 25 rough stones at any given time. I'm pretty pissed about the whole situation considering I hadn't done anything. I'd be the first to say fuck it if I had, but I hadn't so we'll see what happens.

Not sure what to believe. I sent a PM to the GM's today via help request and Gizmo pops in saying 'cheaters :('

Then I emailed Kon about the deletion and he said he was working on it then I get banned form the forum. Do you guys ever give a heads-up before you act?

What the heck did I cheat? lol I heard there's an exploit, ya I hear this morning, about enchanted essence, and I did a quest once for what I earned at the RC Museum. I may have had up to 6 essence? Is that what this is about?

Am I going to be banned again before I get a reply?

-Belegerandh

Well, whatever your reply may or may not be about this I see it this way:

Gizmo jumped to conclusions calling me a cheater and even -if- this is reversed I'll have a staff watching me to bust my ass for just about anything, some new 'exploit'. That's like a cop giving me issues because 'there were some break-ins in this area a few nights ago'. We all know how that story goes.

I doubt I'll get my castle back, those things I lost in it, and surely not my Luna house. How would you justify taking that space from someone who found it empty?

And how do I know this wouldn't happen again in, say, 3-4 months? Something random and without explanation? Hell, I was thinking someone hacked me when I was deleted -and- banned. Guess that sort of thing can happen on an independent shard.

I have enough things to worry about in my real life and my recreation shouldn't be one of them.

There's an explanation, your account got linked to Articus' when he logged into your account in the past. Blah blah blah, just wait a few hours dude.

Lets just stop.  Look at this threads title.  Now look at the threads last posts.

Cool. Just the weekend and I had it off from work.

I guess I'll go out of the house this weekend  :lol:

lol .. i been gone for 30 hours from vent and game ... am curious wot i'll find when i log in :-)

Can we get a Mod to change the Posts title to, If you wanna bitch about someone/something post here.

 :twisted:

I will be accepting apologies now ..... thank you in advance

Ok, I'm sorry you're a prick. Really.

:cry:  i might be a prick but this prick was right your are a cheater.You owe your guildmaster an apology also for defending you when you were cheating all along.

lmao Gizmo and I already chatted and I'm getting my char back, ya dumbass. Forgot your facts again, didn't ya? lol

Oh glad to hear you will still be in game i was almost sad the person i hate the most was gone  :lol:

LOL Glad I could hit a few nerves. Told ya bringing some facts to the table is priceless. Bring me some the next time and I may love ya back, Boo Boo.

wtf are you on about trinsic mayor .. once again yer totally wrong ... i'd even go back over yer last two posts and address each item again, but it's a waste of time .. you're like some ugly arse creation that mutates and spawns into something more ludicrous and dumber each time

i also have chatted with gizmo on this and the accounts got deleted becos gizmo thought art wos running 4 accounts .. when he wos running his legal three, and becos art has access to bel's account the logs were interpretting it as 4

gizmo in my opinion jumped the gun on the this one, and coming up to bel while he was picking up his rune library off the ground and calling him 'cheater' is way off base ... giz just happens to be human like the rest of us

when asked about the revert both bel and art said they would rather not inconvenience the whole shard by doing a 3 day revert but bite the bullet and get help from the gm's on restoring the accounts ... YOU should be thanking THEM you selfish self absorbed little fuck

also, instead of hijacking other's threads, why don't you start a new thread here in the Off Topic section titled "i'm a UO drama queen, come discuss the latest conspiracy theories here"

i wos laffing today becos i have this image of you as a chihuahua wearing a Spanish Inquisition outfit .. yapping away and not happy until you get your quota of innocent people tortured and burned every day

you're sad and sick, but gizmo was right, if it wasn't you, it'd be some other little fuck who's jealous of wot others achieve through their hard work

and for the record, i have no problem that one of your guild members used to be a counselor with gizmo on abc ... i don't think that that implies anything wrong or that any favor is bestowed upon your guild ... whereas i think gizmo made a wrong call on the account deletions, i have respect for his integrity and what he tries to do for the shard .. why don't you make a leap of faith and adopt a similar mindset

Quotei also have chatted with gizmo on this and the accounts got deleted becos gizmo thought art wos running 4 accounts .. when he wos running his legal three, and becos art has access to bel's account the logs were interpretting it as 4

ummm....
http://www.pandorauo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13 please read #1c.
...it was last updated January 27th 2010. I assume everyone on this forum can read.
 there are some more rules here as well, in case people are too lazy to go to the forums
http://www.pandorauo.com/rules.html see#8


I agree that that #8 probably needs to be elaborated on a bit more.

Moving forward, let's all familiarize ourselves with the rules so next time we don't hear "I didn't know" as the excuse.

True enough and I imagine it was a most terrible thing to do. I'm positive no other guildies trust one another after months together to access their accounts for 10 secs to do something like refresh their home while they're away and such. Just terrible.


Just seems to me a few people are more than excited to see IECM, above others, to take the hits for that since there were no exploits or other issues to be found. Just something we have to deal with and it's not always easy when people won't listen, refuse to come to the table with any evidence, and just want to point their fingers .. even people in the same guild as my primary library visitors.


So until -that- attitude changes, and I'm not holding my breath, no apologies are coming from me to TM until he can hold an intelligent or coherent conversation .. one -following a subject-. I don't cater to adults acting like children and I'm not apologizing for that either; he'll get what he can understand and that's just me making fun of him until that point.

QuoteTrue enough and I imagine it was a most terrible thing to do. I'm positive no other guildies trust one another after months together to access their accounts for 10 secs to do something like refresh their home while they're away and such. Just terrible.

Point taken. It's was just a techinicality, really.

this comes to mind now dleath.

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Dleatherus  give it up the story is old some of your people are cheaters man. You personally might not have cheated yourself, nor some of the people in your guild.I mean im not here saying all of Icem are cheats, the reality wether you like it or not is some are. I mean your guy violated rule 1c in your words to boot guy.I mean he should be banned for that yes or no? Even if he is only refreshing house if i go to the store and only steal a quarter item its still stealing.
Also why is noone in my guild  having accounts deleted? Oh we dont cheat over here i dont see my vendors being deleted. I dont sign in to my houses on the ground why is that?
 Also why should i thank you for no revert your the cause of the problem.If you werent caught no revert.How many people would have quit on a revert im betting a bunch. Losing people is bad for the server, so isnt cheating though.
Also why would i be jealous, that nonsense  I just dont like people that cheat. I like people that work hard for thier gear.You called me a scrub because my alt has not much gear, at least i didnt cheat to get imbuing mats to get gear. Let get this right because i know alot of people are thinking this you  guys didnt get banned because you donate alot of money.I mean if this was blizzard,osi,mythic,even ncsoft  alot of your guys would have been banned.Your guy violated rule 3 in the rules, then u talked about it.
     Also i dont care if you guys had a councselor on abc with Gizmo, this is Pandora man not abc. I dont care if Kaskade is your guild and P^M also oh yeah btw people talk all the time.Maybe you should think twice before sharing accounts someone might sign on your guy and have convos with your names.
 this made me laugh btw"but gizmo was right, if it wasn't you, it'd be some other little fuck who's jealous of wot others achieve through their hard work"
Is Giz Digital also shit talking me also? I hope so maybe i can get him burned at the stake tommorrow.

So could anyone break this sentence down for me?  I can not understand it at all:

QuoteI dont care if Kaskade is your guild and P^M also oh yeah btw people talk all the time

refreshing a guys house while he's away in r/l isn't exploiut or cheating ... though i agree it violated rule 1c

rule 1c was put in place so that you wouldn't have characters in opposing factions on each account farming silver etc from each other ... i can't speak for either kon or giz but i doubt if either give a toss that an account wos used for 10 secs, 10 mins wotever to refresh the house and greb a couple of rune books

it has been ages since art did that, but bel's account, as a result, wos 'linked' to art's and thus the confusion, nothing more, nothing less

as for the unravelling macro, i spoke directly with gizmo about this also ... and gizmo stated it wosn't for that the account wos deleetd, but for it showing 4 active accounts
i also told gizmo, and i don't think he'd mind me sharing what my opinion was regarding the unravelling macro, though our opinions might differ
how can it be an exploit to make exceptional cleavers at the soulforge with a 5,000 use tinkertool from the ingame toolbox, and unravel them to gain a magical residue, set up on a macro, but you can do the exact same thing in terms of crafting similar stuff with a multi-use tool in heartwood and get all the runics you want ... in fact gizmo was going to write a script to help those of us who are a bit computer stupid like myself, to do just that

i've never called you a scrub ... go back through this thread, reread, and get yer facts straight, and in fact have said despite you being a stupid little fuck, that you'll still be able to use the rune and reference library once it's up ..

and read carefully .. it's YOUR guild that has the person that used to be a counsellor on abc with gizmo .. i can't even begin to imagine if that person had been in our guild, what additional crap you'd be trying to throw at us

lot of folks talking shit about you now .. it's why i still feed your drama queen troll appetite so people can read both our posts and form their own opinions about each of us .. have a nice day :-)

Well, dude, all I can say is whatever. You can suck on my d*ck on a player run shard from now on or get on with your own life. What is interesting is that you guys got my house after Giz deleted my shit prematurely. You guys doing real estate together now? Maybe we need to take a look at -your- dealings, especially after you got B's house too.

Quoteby Deadmau5 » Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:13 pm
So could anyone break this sentence down for me? I can not understand it at all:

    I dont care if Kaskade is your guild and P^M also oh yeah btw people talk all the time

lol .. i have no idea mate ... priceless coming from a pratt who in his signature tag implies i should get a spellchecker lol

btw, though we be 'enemies' in game and have our heated exchanges, i appreciate your stepping up and calling trinsic out previously in this thread

i know i should probably just drop it altogether since like i sed, i'm feeding the troll, but it bothers me that folks can come here and make any accusation they want without any repercussion for their idiotic comments ... i'm holding the light up to trinsic's face, and i don't think even he likes wot he sees

ummmmmmmm me too

That's the reason Bele's account was deleted. Not Anderson, that account was deleted from exploiting a bug that people used to stockpile residue (afk), turn in for essences (afk), then turn into relics (afk). In very little time.

It doesn't take a genius to realize this was a bug, ignoring it now and trying to act like the accounts were deleted for another reason is shady as hell.

since your such a know it all  bulldawg dropped his own house i was running around luna found it on the ground. secondly since icem knows everything i own the house across from where yours fell.  I have vendors there i stock and check them alot i make good sales.Thats what i was doing when your house dropped   for your cheating.
 Also i've never called you a scrub ... go back through this thread, reread, and get yer facts straight, and in fact have said despite you being a stupid little fuck, that you'll still be able to use the rune and reference library once it's up .. .

You did in the infamous "tour" , while someone else was accusing me of owning no houses like a newb.Infact I walk out of the moongate into the "town" it teleports me downstairs into 1 tile. I try to move left right up down it crashes me, because i am banned.Stuck didnt work nor recall had to have someone gate me out .I could show you this if u would like its pretty funny.
oh according to you it has been ages since art did that, but bel's account, as a result, wos 'linked' to art's and thus the confusion, nothing more, nothing less
so can we let back in  the people caught duping over the years i mean it has been awhile according to your "rules"

People do talk shit about me but they know your only here because u donated a bunch of dollars.This is getting old either your post  fanatical rants or a pitch perfect parody of fanatical rant. Honestly if you actually beileve your own bullshit i cant tell the diffrence anymore.I mean it must be tough being so awesome having all the right answers knowing everything all the time. :roll:

be happy for ya to point out the tile .. there's no intentional bug built into the place ... i know some folks using EC find it buggy/laggy in the town ... am curious if it's just for you it's bugged or for others also, if it's just for you, well ... ya brought it upon yerself

Heres just a few of the mistakes you have previously recently typed.

Quotesince your such a know it all bulldawg dropped

"Since you're such a know it all, Bulldawg dropped..."

Quotesecondly since icem knows everything

"Secondly, Since IECM knows everything"

And my favorite thus far!

Quoteonly here because u donated a bunch of dollars.

"......"
 :lol: i wish i knew "Dollars" grew in bunches sooner!

hey Niro i changed  my sig just for you

i feel the love surrounding me

I find it humorous that you(trinsic) never said your guild uses an ingame system to get mats. I did not make the residue but I do not see how it is illegal by any means. Maybe I need to freshen up on my uo ethics but scripts for gathering other resources are legal such as mining, heartwood questers, bods etc etc. The rule "8. Do not use 2 characters to PVM or PVP, or to macro items or gold." is very ambiguous as previously mentioned. Although you can get gold from imbuing materials you can also get them from bod rewards and hw quests and mining and lumberjacking and so on. I honestly do not see the difference. Not being a smart ass but how is this an exploit when the others are not?

mmm sorry mate but i have all my characters still. would love to know how that is linked to me, unless its one of your top secret conspiracies! What is it this time?

hrmmm ... mebbe it's just me .. and i'm happy to have it pointed out to me if my rationale is wrong:

you get a bankstone, 5,000 use tool from the ingame toolkit, you go to heartwood, you run your macro that opens bankbox, gets your resources, makes your items, converts them to quest items, and you get rewards and a good shot at a heartwood fletchers kit that sells in the donation room for $30.00 all while your afk .. totally legal

you get a bankstone, 5,000 use tool from the ingame toolkit, you go to the soulforge, you run your macro that opens bankbox, gets your resources, makes your items, converts them to quest items, and you get magical residue/essences and converts to relic fragment that sells in the donation room for $10.00 all while your afk .. a bug and an exploit????

Let's all set macros to make residue and we won't have to hunt at all. Brilliant! Never mind that in game you will only collect 1 relic frag for unraveling a Greater Tot, but for the price of some ingots and some rune chisels, you expect to be able to afk craft relics? Forget the risk vs. reward, you can get the best gear afk! Then when we get caught, we just grease some palms, no worries mate!

The sad thing is -- this whole affair, with these denials, -- is just proving that you knew it was an exploit. A frank confession and apology would of been fine: "Sorry, it was wishful thinking. I feel like an idiot." Instead, you keep insisting on these bullshit excuses which aren't fooling anyone.

What would happen if the whole shard started crafting residue? People would be geared in what, a few weeks? You're telling me you thought that would be perfectly legal? Not buying it, sorry. Staff is constantly working on making this shard harder to get a suit. You know this as much as anyone else. Remember grinding Ele's for hours to get a few Fire and Toxic essences? But crafting relics would be fine???

QuoteForget the risk vs. reward, you can get the best gear afk!

So how about those bods and those heartwood quests. Explain to me the difference. I am not saying it should not be changed but I do not think people should be punished for doing something that is allowable through the game and available for everyone to do. Do you suggest everyone does bods, hw quests, and even mining by hand?

What's wrong with collecting BODs? You collect and fill. I don't see the connection. Sure you can use EasyUO to collect them, so what? I don't, but many people do. I don't see a problem with this. You're still filling them. You can buy runic armor cheap as hell, it's the imbued gear that's valuable. Runic is just the base.

As to Heartwood quests: I paged a month and a half ago about someone afk at the fletcher, but like all my pages, it went unanswered. I suppose it's because they have limited staff and are extremely busy, so don't feel like constantly checking heartwood to see if people are afk or not. I'm not staff, but I would make it illegal.

To the last point, "anyone can do it." Anyone could exploit any bug, that doesn't make it legal. The fact that "anyone can do it," doesn't change the fact that it's obviously screwed up. If you can gear up to god-like in a few weeks, afk, while some people have spent half-a-year gearing up, grinding away in pvp zones; it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see it's an obvious exploit.

Maharvia go away you are nothing but a piece of shit that you can't get rid of.  I am going to poop in your cereal tomorrow.

That's right, I'm your constipation.  :?

QuoteNew postby Dleatherus » Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:07 pm
hrmmm ... mebbe it's just me .. and i'm happy to have it pointed out to me if my rationale is wrong:

you get a bankstone, 5,000 use tool from the ingame toolkit, you go to heartwood, you run your macro that opens bankbox, gets your resources, makes your items, converts them to quest items, and you get rewards and a good shot at a heartwood fletchers kit that sells in the donation room for $30.00 all while your afk .. totally legal

you get a bankstone, 5,000 use tool from the ingame toolkit, you go to the soulforge, you run your macro that opens bankbox, gets your resources, makes your items, converts them to quest items, and you get magical residue/essences and converts to relic fragment that sells in the donation room for $10.00 all while your afk .. a bug and an exploit????

Ok, I want to play.  

First, if I am doing the heartwood quests, I have harvested the correct material required.  I have went out, chopped the wood or mined the ingots or perhaps purchased them but I have the resources that would be required for creating the quest item.  

Now if instead, I could stand there, convert a bandage to the wood by some bug and then use the wood to craft the quest item and get my reward, I would consider that exploit.  Would it be easier to purchase bolts of cloth and cut them into bandages instead of running around chopping trees?   Shoot yea but I would suspect this probably shouldn't happen.  If I decide to do it anyway, I shouldn't be surprised if I am punished for taking advantage of an exploit.

If you use EUO to script the entire process, from gathering wood, to crafting, to completing the quest, you are still following the process.  If you use EUO to make bandages, convert it to wood, craft and then complete the quest, yea, you are following the process but taking advantage of an exploit while doing it.

I know this had nothing to do with bandages turning into wood, it was just an example.  :)

Ok, found another post.  Apparently it involved crafting something, unraveling it and converting the unraveled resource with the quest?  Not sure what was crafted but I assume it wasn't with a runic hammer?  I certainly have ideas but haven't tried it and wont.

Sure, I would have thought "This is great, easy fragments!!" and maybe wanted to take advantage but really?  Does that sound like something Giz and Kon meant to be?  I would have questioned it and verified it was as expected before going on.

Sorry, ignorance is no excuse.

I haven't seen Mahavira actually accuse anyone directly of anything yet he's a PoS? Not getting that when we have an obvious troll trying to get the staff set against opposing factions, one who benefits from the problems he provokes.

Yes I have Bele, many people, and I'm right.

I am beginning to think that people believe that life in PandoraUO is "real life." ROFL :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
I can see the end of my road coming on Pandora...to much "friendship" between players and shard owner(s) which is FAR from balanced. The fun is quickly fading.

Ok, I had some reading to do to catch up. I'm backing off of this.  :lol:

Rival you commented on my sig so i changed it , just for you sorry if you dont like it.
I see the same 3 people trying to defend cheating when called out by another player on this shard. I mean you have all had a week to practice vs me, i think you can do better this time. Really someone might actually  think your right this time? I dont want to see people quitting do you? Maybe you should just be like yeah i messed up ill take my punishment like an adult.
                            To tell the truth i dont want to see people quit this shard,I would like to see it really grow. If i was a new player ,i came to any shard heard someone was exploiting/ sharing accounts( dont even give me that to refresh my friends house bs line) i would be like yeah right im not playing here.If you owned a place of business someone stole from the cash register 20 bucks would you fire them?One of  you found this out then obiviously passed it on to your friends right? Why didnt anyone send a page to ask to see if this is ok? I page with dumb questions all the time ,ill be the first to admit it. Half the times i bet they roll thier eyes, going this idiot again why? Better to be safe than sorry though.
                              Also I dont think a half price off sale on every item, wasnt a great idea either from a retail prospective.Also for the people that have paid full price on items.I myself didnt buy anything this time though.Thatis a totally diffrent topic that maybe we can  make a new post  thread about anyone want to discuss this?

Hey rachel ill try to explain:
"I find it humorous that you(trinsic) never said your guild uses an ingame system to get mats. I did not make the residue but I do not see how it is illegal by any means. Maybe I need to freshen up on my uo ethics but scripts for gathering other resources are legal such as mining, heartwood questers, bods etc etc. The rule "8. Do not use 2 characters to PVM or PVP, or to macro items or gold." is very ambiguous as previously mentioned. Although you can get gold from imbuing materials you can also get them from bod rewards and hw quests and mining and lumberjacking and so on. I honestly do not see the difference. Not being a smart ass but how is this an exploit when the others are not?"
I mean this is pretty much a simple math problem with some common sense.This is an example here :(sorry this is kinda long)
Alright bods= on a timer system i cant create a bod every what i dont know 2-5 seconds like a weapon. I cant create 125 of them then go  unravel them in what 10 mintues? I dont know the times sorry we are using these numbers as  just a value marker.
       Let say all 3 of my account are bod guys 14 of the guys at 50 1 at 120. The guy at 120 can collect a bod every 6 hours because of the high skills. Now this will reset if i fill one and turn 1 in. Now the other 14 can get 1 every hour not every 5 mintues .i sign in get first bod let say for the reason i do have a tailor in my house. I takes me 25 seconds to sign in 22 to collect bod 12 to sign out( these numbers are all  fictional). While your still making weapons to unravel or teleport to unravel.Now let say i get a large bod for anything well i cant fill that 1 without the smalls. But i can make another weapon to imbue no matter what right in 2 -5 seconds. Now let say i get 5 out of the 6 some lucky way(its really not that easy) out of the 15 i still need to go find someone with the  last 1 to trade right. while im away your still making  your weapons. you have teleported we will say 1 or 2 times.
This is actually how the system is set in place on every osi server well was when i played. this imbuing is new to me also im not very familiar without nor do i claim to be.I dont think they intended you to be able to make something for such a cheap material value to be able to break it down.Someone can correct me if im wrong here?
                  Minning  and doing boards i paged and was told it was legal to do  so i dont really have 1 for that. The key words though i paged before doing it because i was concerned  not wanting to get banned.I hope this has helped you?

I don't know dude, I got lost myself.

Honestly, I don't see the 'L337 H4X' and cheating going on like they're being presented. Ya, I gave my login to someone in my guild for while I was away from the game. Big deal. This isn't OSI as been stated repeatedly by others and if that was dirty or wrong then ya, Kon can ban me. I don't, however, remembering him hiring a non-OSI SS Corp to help him ferret out dirty 'cheaters' like myself who do share a login with a guildie. UO has always been about meeting people, friends, and thus trust. I still call people from OSI UO and have 2-3 hour conversations with them. Pretty bad stuff there ... taking the game out of the game and being RL friends, ya? So if IECM is about that to me and I can trust my friends there, sure, ban my ass; you have my confession and I'm not stopping any of that.

Cheating has never been part of the IECM ideal and if it was I wouldn't have let myself be part of it. I've never afk mined or lumbered, afk shopped for goods or w/e, afk smithed, afk scribed, none of that. I didn't even knwo what an 'esseence' was until Chronic told me the other day and, really, I don't have time for it. I'm building two libraries on this shard and hardly have the time to hunt. When I -do- hunt, ask anyone, I've given most of those arties away. None of this should have mattered to anyone or been their business but since you press me, I will tell you. I gave those to Chronic, to Jerry, to other guildmates, and used the few I had left to be icon markers for my library shelves. Hell, even my PCoins were bought or given to me by people who appreciated the PCoin mob runes. My spare time has been to make a new TMap (post-patch) rune system for the shard.

Point being, I'm too involved in UO's nerdy shit to care about the damn essences, PVP, who is doing what, who is doing who, and none of that can be replaced like someone's PVP suit, house, or even a donation item, as important as those things are. There is no system of replacement for it and it's lost until I rebuild it myself.

Last post for awhile your 14pages 2 late to play innoncent victium role now man. You made fun of me with pictures cursed me out called me everything under the  sun.You made fun of an Autistic child your a real piece of work guy. I didnt even post for 2 days you made fun of me had your little chuckles it was super fun huh. Now that push came to shove you got pushed.Now your some poor runebook libary makers that isnt a prick to people on this forum? When did this transformation happen? Did you magical find a religion or something? I mean if anyone wants to question this just look at the post where he tells me to suck his d***. 1-2 days later he is just a runebook libarian what a sweet innoncent guy.

QuoteAs to Heartwood quests: I paged a month and a half ago about someone afk at the fletcher, but like all my pages, it went unanswered. I suppose it's because they have limited staff and are extremely busy, so don't feel like constantly checking heartwood to see if people are afk or not. I'm not staff, but I would make it illegal.

but this is my exact point ... it's NOT illegal to afk craft the heartwood quests

i'm not saying i'm a big fan of them, and personally i don't use them myself, though that's more a case of me being less computer savvy than most and having an awful conn, so if i had the ability i might well be running the quests in heartwood also

but the fact is, is that like it or not, whether it's a wise decision or not, whether i personally agree with it or not, this server allows for afk scripting that doesn't involve pvp/direct gold farming

QuoteRemember grinding Ele's for hours to get a few Fire and Toxic essences? But crafting relics would be fine???

to get what i would term the 'rarer' imbuing runes like the resists needs an amazing amount of grinding, and i'm still grinding eles for them lol, also rough stones are needed and those need to be hunted for also

on tokuno tuesdays i don my luck suit, take my pet and i can get a relic frag within an hour's worth or so of hunting,

as i sed, i don't script at all, and i have an abundance (had, since after an imbuing session i'm down to 9 relic frags now, it was 26), magical essences and enchanted essences i have quite a few of, for me they aren't hard to get using the quests and unravelling all the loot from a coin boss etc i'm rambling .. my point being is that without afk macroing essences, residues and relics aren't that difficult or hard to get it's the elemental essences and rough stones that are the tough parts, the elemental essences in particular

QuoteNow if instead, I could stand there, convert a bandage to the wood by some bug and then use the wood to craft the quest item and get my reward, I would consider that exploit. Would it be easier to purchase bolts of cloth and cut them into bandages instead of running around chopping trees? Shoot yea but I would suspect this probably shouldn't happen. If I decide to do it anyway, I shouldn't be surprised if I am punished for taking advantage of an exploit.

If you use EUO to script the entire process, from gathering wood, to crafting, to completing the quest, you are still following the process. If you use EUO to make bandages, convert it to wood, craft and then complete the quest, yea, you are following the process but taking advantage of an exploit while doing it.

i wholeheartedly agree with this, the example of converting bandages into wood is a good example of what i understand to be a bug or an exploit

but that's not, from my understanding, what's happening in the least ... it seems to me to be a direct parallel to the heartwood quests ... exceptional cleavers(i could be mistaken on the actual weapon) are being made with ingots that were legitimately (though again i'd bet huge money the ingots were also gathered using an afk script, legal on this server), the made items are put into a bag and unravelled, that unravelling produces magical residue that can be used in recipes or traded up (75 to 1 is the current 'exchange rate' i think)

so just like the heartwood quests, the macro is doing all the grinding for you ...

too easy? perhaps, but whether it's easy or not isn't the issue .. my point is how can afk macroing for runic kits to make tons of money and elite weapons be legal, and yet use basically the exact same script with a modification for the items being made,and make essences, residue and relic fragments that can make tons of money and elite items be illegal?

is it just me that is seeing the inconsistency here?

this is doing my head in lol

and my response isn't a slam or a flame on anybody, least of all Mahavira who i hold in high regard ... i'm genuinely wanting to discuss how the one can be allowed, and the other not

I never said you or I were not, in fact I've said quite the opposite of both of us. Prick.

Umm .. go tell someone I said that  :roll:

Trinsic, you did not answer my question. And the bods were regarding afk BODers not people physically doing them. Also, try to use some sort of punctuation. Half of what you say is not discernible. I would really like your input, but I need to be able to decode it.
Thanks :D

QuoteJaxtron Ok, found another post. Apparently it involved crafting something, unraveling it and converting the unraveled resource with the quest? Not sure what was crafted but I assume it wasn't with a runic hammer? I certainly have ideas but haven't tried it and wont.

it was a dagger that was being unraveled. costs very little ingots to make. I'm not clear on the rest of it, but I think it had a chance of yielding an enchanted essence.

Before anyone gets any ideas about me I have one account with 3 toons and none of them have imbuing on them. I mostly do tmaps and fish and anyone can tell you I have the shittiest gear in the game.

Anyhow I totally agree that there are waaaaaay too many gray areas on what is legal and what is illegal. I really do hope that Kon and Giz take the time to draw up very specific guidelines for the shard on exploits and then update the webpage and forum to reflect that. This is going to happen with every update we have. Somebody, old or new to the shard, is going to take advantage.

I still want BULLDAWG. Oh where has my little bulldawg gone.

QuoteAnyhow I totally agree that there are waaaaaay too many gray areas on what is legal and what is illegal. I really do hope that Kon and Giz take the time to draw up very specific guidelines for the shard on exploits and then update the webpage and forum to reflect that.

thank you for bringing a voice of reason to the table :-)

Time for me to have a say i think :)

There were people that were crafting alot of residue/essence. This was deemed to be exploiting by Gizmo.

ALL imbeing materials were deleted from these accounts in question.

THIS IS NOT WHY PEOPLE'S ACCOUNTS WERE DELETED!!!!!!!!!!

People accounts WERE deleted because it was thought some were running more than the 3 Accounts you are allowed to have on Pandora. Some were running 3+ some were not.

I can only comment on my situation because i know the facts about it, so here goes.

I had 3 accounts running the night in question, Legal I know.

Sometime in the last month I had logged into Belegerandh's account to grab a few runebooks he had marked for me.

So i guess it appeared that our accounts were linked somehow via IP address (I don't know too much about the internet or RunoUo servers so....)

So it appeared i was runnning 4 accounts that night, which is of course illegal/exploiting The accounts in question were deleted.

I know other people crafting alot of residue/essence just had the materials deleted.

I know other accounts were deleted but I don't really want to specuate too much about what happened.

I can for sure that Bobby is a Similair truly innocent party in this matter just like Belegrandh.

I also know some other accounts were rightfully deleted because they were using more than 3 accounts, where as the case i provide above was a misunderstanding.

To sum up, unravelling mass amounts of residue was NOT the reason accounts were deleted!!
Anyone that says that is grossly misinformed!!

Just copied and paste from the other topic. Make sure everyone is clear on what happened.

Thank you art, This was and is what i understood to be the explanation.
Luckily though this is The rick roll section of the forums and i would just like to comment that i severely love that belegrandh got his house  plot in luna back :D


oh and this as well. just for you trinsic
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I want to comment on the "gray area" of exploits.

First most of us here are adults. I question that at times when reading some posts but more often than not most come across as adults. Being adults we also should have a certain amount of common sense. If something seems questionable, our first instinct should be to verify instead of taking advantage. Most have played this game long enough to know things happen that aren't exected.

We have training elementals. They work great and skill gain is very quick and can be done while afk.  Still it isn't instant. If they wanted it to be, we would all get multiple 100 skillballs.  Now if i am out hunting, find something i attack and gain several full points of skill, i am going to think  this is a bug and report it. Yea i can do the same with the training elementals but that still doesn't mean using this mob is how they meant it to be. If i report and am told all is well then yea i will use it. But if it goes against everything else that i have seen in the game, why would i think it is as expected?

What is wrong with expecting adults to use a bit of common sense and at least verify something questionable isn't in fact an issue?

Jaxtron, it's called ethics and I think some people just plain don't have them. Or they think this is J.A.G. so it doesn't matter. Anything you do that affects other people matters.

Both of your posts on this have been very well thought out and logical. With all the smoke and mirrors and red herrings from everyone, you kept the main point at hand, which is what no one else seems to have accomplished.

To be honest none of you kept the main point. Read the initial post and read the title of the thread. Thank you Mahavira for having the common sense to make your own thread.

Quoteby Rachel » Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:23 am

To be honest none of you kept the main point. Read the initial post and read the title of the thread. Thank you Mahavira for having the common sense to make your own thread.

Thank you, forum police! I see plenty of off topic remarks from you as well is this very thread. Perhaps you should take some of your own advice, you senseless wench.

You're welcome. Keeping the forum safe from stupid posts is what I do best. I thank you for this prestigious title.

On a second note, I would rather be the forum police than the forum tabloids.

Thank you for the compliment Cherrie. Rachel is correct in that i didn't follow the topic but as the majority of the posts in this thread were about the imbuing incident and not  CoM and since this is where the subject of certain things being a bit gray, i felt it fit here.

I haven't done any faction play so wont comment on which guild should be where but if this thread continues to discuss imbuing and the concept of what is an exploit and what isn't, i will post when i fell i can add something.

Completely off topic, but i find it sad what some people take to be a compliment. But hey, whatever works for you.  :)

Well rival i like your page boy haircut, does it match your charcters  :D

As a fellow Mayor I would Have to agree with my compadre, Trinsic Mayor.I believe the best Actions to take now is to test them to make sure they are not descendandts of witches. I have been investigating this subject and i conclude that this must be involved with Witchcraft! What should we do you are probably asking yourself right now. Luckily I have the perfect solution to solve this problem!

1. We round up an angry mob. Usually accusing people of things without facts can stir up an angry mob quick enough.

2. We bind them in rope and through them in a lake. In the event that they drown, they were innocent and we will feel really bad. In the event that they float we can proceed to part 3.

3. As at this point we know they float, We burn them at the stake and yet still without and facts we can finally say, "Hey you can thank me for pointing out the witches!"

This worked for the people of the colonial times and it will work for us as well. I hope everyone supports this idea, as it is the only true way to find out.

Oh, and consider me for re-election in 2012!
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P.S. Rival didn't you realize that he has mayor in his name? That means he's a 12 year old, leave him alone!

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Im glad someone made a new name way to be a coward,I mean i thought this matter was done.

actually no, i kinda put my own name in there as a give away congratulations! Now i think the original matter was over at like page 9 or 10, but then the topic was changed. Now the topic will be.....

Trinsic, Home of communism and paranoia.
           
           As a proud citizen of Brittainia, I personally would not like a mayor of one of our prestigious towns to be hostile against other members of Brittania. I myself consider this to be an act of fraud, and would charge this person with attempting to start a riot. I think such acts should cease and desist. In the event that he does not cease and desist with said paranoia and slander against the good IECM name we shall point out at anytime we see fit the following, "You are not a mayor, you are not a mayor." Until said acts have ceased. In the event that said acts begin to reoccur after wards we will continue to reply "You are not a mayor, you are not a mayor." until such acts have stopped again. Anyone who wishes to side with you will be given the same response.

I will be bringing this up to a group of like-minded peers in which may decide whether or not they will join in this crusade against your paranoid thoughts, and your seemingly shrewish behaviors.

P.S. You have a small penis as well.

Oh damn almost forgot don't do drugs....

they are bad for you...mmmk?

srsly

ask your mom

she has to put up with you.

Rival, As official forum police. I promote you to forum deputy. Wear your badge proudly sir!

Don't be a Douche!

I will take the promotion proudly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QkHVO1xqX0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QkHVO1xqX0)

win.....just...

win....

xD

QuoteDon't be a Douche!

This is coming from someone named Dr. Seuss. Also I believe this is your van. License and registration please.

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