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will add a timer to infested aswell, where they will just dissipear (and possible leave a pile of infested goo on the ground), until i figure out a better way (which cannot be exploited et.c et.c.)
The timer i will have in the beginning will be 2h.

Then may i suggest to raise the timer on Injectors to 24 hrs or so (like peerless keys)?

There WAS an Orc guild, but that's some time ago. I don't think anyone is currently role playing an Orc or anything else.

Afaik for Fletching Tools it doesn't matter which quest you do.

Before i will write something i need to quote some of the things that have been said. Two of those to make sure EVERYONE can read this.

Des Sanct said:

I don't think many of you realize how strong this shard was as far as population is concerned. The amount of donations it was bringing in when pvp had a purpose. Yes we may field 45 on a high day, but we all know most of those chars logged in are bots for farming resources/bods. The reason we have lost all of the player base....we lost PVP! Whether you like it or not, that is a factual statement. I am sure Kon can even attest to the declining numbers, since all of the fighting has diminished.
So many of you spam about voting. I vote almost every day. The sites we vote on generally have Pandora listed as Top 1 or 2. Guess what? Our playerbase isn't growing. Some old players of the shard peek in on occasion and then leave for 6 months or more because there is ZERO pvp. THEY ARE ALL GOING TO SHARDS THAT ARE PVP HEAVY! So.. those players are still spending money on items to play, THEY SHOULD BE SPENDING IT HERE, but they're not.

Pandora has pvp for free, between the dailypvp and the battles and we cant even get that. It's time for a change on this shard. We have been catering to the wrong crowd. Am I wrong? Look at our events, "NO PVP" or in tram rulesets, so we can farm the hell out of items that will be worthless in a month.

What makes what you do now, any different than if the new lands were in the felucca facet? Are you going to quit over the fact you can't farm your own new items? No, Otherwise you wouldn't be here now.

I remember times when 150 people were all on and playing at the same time. We used to have 30 vs 30 vs 20 battles.

All I am saying, is some of us have been making noise and being shut down for quite some time now. The people who don't want involved in the pvp have been getting catered to. Thats fine. However, lets be fair and equal to both sides of the coin. The other way has yet to prove successful. Why not try what the rest of us have been begging for?

Sorry for these long quotes.
But you couldn't say this any better.
I also remember these times and those were good times: Newbies had to be very careful, you'd have to hunt in groups to make sure you're able to defend your spawns. There was global activity, including the world chat. Let there be some smack talk (as long as it doesn't get too personal), what does it matter? All it does is showing that the server is active and far from dead. When i was new here i obviously had no chance against established players. So what? I had to try or run away - and it was fun, thrilling and exciting. Was there anger and frustration? Of course. But that moment you were able to defend yourself properly... it was amazing. And no matter if you lose, win or whatever the outcome will be. In the end you will be gladful that something happened. This is called INTERACTION.
The interaction now is basically reduced to trades or guild hunts without any disturbances aka raids. Don't you think that can be boring sometimes...?^^
This is why we need PvP and the new lands HAVE TO BE FEL.
I can't understand how you wouldn't want this! I really can't. Even if you are no PvPer at all: You will be able to defend your grounds because of numbers or just because someone comes to your assistance. Whatever it will be: At the end of the day you might admit to yourself that this was really fun and you deserved your gold, scrolls and items.
Maybe we're nostalgic, Des, I and all those who are trying to get the PvP going again. Sure we are. But the same time we KNOW what it can do and achieve for the server!
It was a mistake to mess with weapons, abilities and spells. Cause the system worked as it was. And it was a mistake to change certain places to Tram. It would be a huge mistake if the new lands would become Tram, too.
Making areas Trammel proved this: Many players lost interest...

Flint said:

Fel Tram?? Why not both?? Its all on a region controller so why not go both? Go 2 weeks tram 2 weeks fel. This way " ALL " can enjoy the new area. Its Just a simple click of a switch. And the easy way to let everyone know what rules are in effect is to go to a town crier type news and let the crier say for example from Feb 1st through Feb 14th New lands are under Tram Rule set. As far as the champ my suggestion is while under Tram Rules drop the gold rate.

No. No. And no.
This is by far the weirdest and - sorry - most useless suggestion on this. Don't take it personal, but what would happen then?
I tell you:
All of you would go there when it's Trammel, get all the nice stuff to use or sell it. And during the "Fel Weeks" the place would be empty. Could just make it Tram only then...
Compromises are always a good way for diplomats.
But this is a problem that needs a clear result. You want Tram or Fel? There shouldn't be a middle ground and no half solutions.
That's why it has to be Fel. You will go there anyway. The difference is that you might have to earn your stuff in different ways than turning on your macro and stop paying attention...
We want ACTIVITY. Don't you get it?

treefer said:

(...) as well as the implementation of Trammel

Then why in the world should a new area be Trammel then???

Yea, i will fight for this to be Fel with a passion.

And I Haven't been attacked much either, though that would surely change with finally some new lands and new decent drops though.

Yes it would. And i still think it would create more activity all around the server.

As far as a strong economy largely coming from pvp I'd have to disagree completely, as an easy 60% of the maps we have here are fel as well as basically 100% of the doable champ spawns. Has it helped any? I'm not seeing it whatsoever...how about you?

To your question: Has it harmed the server? No. So has it helped the server then? I admit, not recently. But know that in the past - when MUCH MORE areas were FEL - we had an active community of 100 - 150 players.
(Means: I think making more areas TRAM - for example Dojo and Yomutsu - had the opposite effect of what it was supposed to do. Just an observation. But this would be a much bigger and general discussion. I guess we don't want that here.^^)

The one and only thing this game IS actually 100% lacking is a decent loot tram spawn. Maybe try that for once and see if it helps, as obviously more pvp lands truly hasn't. Most people looking for quick pvp action go straight to shards that don't even HAVE a trammel facet.

Of course the staff could do this (if they want to) and try this out for some time. Although personally i think that wouldn't change anything. Only one thing: Good stuff is even more easier to get (no risk at all) and therefore cheaper than some things already are. Which doesn't help the economy but break it even further.
"Most people looking for (quick) PvP action" (quote) are also here and have been here. Pandora has both, other servers have both. There's no problem with that.
The reason you don't get attacked on Pandora is because 1.) Many people here rather go to Tram Spawns (for whatever reasons...) and 2.) Dozens and dozens of Fel champ locations don't make it easy to find you (^^) and 3.) The global kill messages have the effect that some players don't even go to Fel or switch locations after each champ BECAUSE of the messages (they should be off).
In a new area, yes, that would be different cause we'd all go there. And as i said before: There is friendly (not necessarily consensual) PvP and there is grieving. These are two different things.
I think whoever plays this game for some time should be used to the risks and take them if he wants nice loot and scrolls. It is part of UO. Why destroy it on purpose if you can fix it?

I know someone that has recently stopped playing that didn't like fel and would just do Bedlam over and over and over and over as that is all that was out there for him(when not infested), even though yeah... no so great of loot.

I don't know who that is. Guess i missed that.
But if he or she really was THAT frustrated... i am wondering why he disliked Fel so much and same time should have known that better stuff is waiting there? Weird...

Mayyyyybe...if there was one single solitary meezly azz decent loot tram spawn for him to do he would have stayed. Just a thought...

Sure... if this makes it better...?
I don't know...
So everyone goes there then, place always crowded, set macro and watch TV? Instead of having to keep some attention because someone could raid your spawn.
Do we want activity or half AFK zombie players?

If the stuff we can get in the new area is WORTH taking a risk... i think people go there, regardless that it's Fel. Maybe it's just time to learn to defend yourself or how to get away from a dangerous situation.
(And this is not to offend anyone. Also.. just another thought.)

I just think that there is a good reason that everything above 110's isn't dropping in a Tram Facet. And someone who wants something cool has to go to Fel. It's what you agree on, i know.
But do we "NEED" another Tram Champ that doesn't drop 115/120/125's? I don't think so. It's a waste of space and time (hehe). So make it Fel. It's a new area, so it should be thrilling and exciting on many levels.

About the fun:
Exactly that. Fun. It can be interesting and exciting for all parties if it doesn't involve grieving and dry looting - i can say that WSF doesn't do that (that is as long as you don't do it to us^^). So i couldn't care less about loot or the gold i get.
So i am strictly against "farming" players. What i am for is some new excitement that ALSO can involve PvP.*

If there has to be a compromise (either by votes or decisions by Kon and Noll, whatever it will be) i'd suggest to make the champ spawn and other cool locations Fel and A FEW others Tram.
Tram only would be a major mistake in my opinion. You wanna get new players on the server. And some of them might prefer PvP (or atleast like to PvP sometimes). So you need to present PvP zones to them.
The reasons have been stated by Des in his post.

About artifacts:
There is insurance and bank stones (if you have one that is)... just have to be quick.^^

* Afaik your guild is in an Alliance with a PvP guild. I am sure they will assist if there is some action going on.^^

Well, since we're on it now...^^:

1. That:

I vote Fel ruleset. Pvp is virtually non existant right now. The lack of pvp largely plays a role in the shard economy. (...) Lets face it, there is far more of an adrenaline rush in pvp whether you win, lose or draw, rather than a tram ruleset where most of the playerbase runs their macro and walks away from the pc.

2.:
The Tokuno Champ is Tram. Yes, it's infested. And: Who would do the Tokuno Champ anyways. You don't get anything good and for "newer players" it's too difficult anyway (last wave + Champ).
Bedlam is Tram. The AOE thing: Maybe that's a small risk compared to a Fel Champ. I think it is. (And is this even happening or has that been changed that Reds can use the AOE there?)

3.:
Do we really want another spawn where you only get 105's or 110's? It's a new area. People will go there. Perfect chance to bring PvP over there. What do you really lose? Your stuff is insured or blessed. Maybe you might lose Powerscrolls and what you've looted there. But that has always been part of the game and should not worry anyone by now.

4.:
Bedlam, Doom, Tokuno, Yomutsu Mines, Fandancer Dojo (incl. Malas / Umbra), Stygian Abyss, Underworld.. this is all Trammel. Even Paroxysmus Palace (T2A) has only a Tram Side (a fact that has been used like 1000 times by certain guilds).
Should i say more?

5.:

the chances of getting attacked here are real low on this shard

Perfect reason to make the new area Fel.

6.:

There is probably 20 fel rule set spawns and basically no tram ones to do for newer people when it comes right down to it

Because that's way it's supposed to be. There should be risk vs. reward, has been like that forever. And the fact that this works shows that it's good.
Also: "Newer people" aren't supposed to do champ spawns - if they are THAT new. Atleast not by themselves. And if they do they should take the same risk everyone else does.

7.:
Who knows what kind of loot we might find in the new area. If this is highly valuable cool stuff... then it would make perfect sense to make this a Fel ruleset.

(I know, i said i don't wanna start a discussion about it. But since this is now being debated i think it's the perfect chance to gain some votes for an upcoming poll.^^)

Yea, one has to be exremely careful... you might get a free gift that never leaves you... ^^

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What you encountered was one of the PCoin Monsters... The one you saw is a little too strong for new players.

More info here:

http://www.pandorauo.com/wiki/index.php?n=PandoraLore.PandoraCoinMobs

(I've written some of the Wiki stuff, i know some of the things need updates... but i guess these are the things like BOD's and such i basically never do...^^)

First of all, like i said it before, i hope you'll get your thesis done to your satisfaction (and the ones who will judge you^^)!
Real life can be painful, so don't waste your energy on us unless you can...^^

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Also i am really looking forward to that event, it's been a while. Thanks for this in advance!

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Most important though:

I am very thankful reading about the upcoming patch(es) and what is there to come. Thank you for the information about the new stuff!

Considering drop rates (in general) it's nice to hear that this will be addressed.
If the skill masteries are too complex now it can always be done later. Most important (imho) are the new map and its inhabitants. I think all of us will be extremely happy and pleased with this for a long time.

So a huge THANK YOU for this information. Makes me feel way better than i should on a Monday. ^^

Also, need to do a poll regarding the new lands, trammel or felucca. (If its been stated somewhere in earlier notes, please tell me.. Since i think it kinda suxs to have a new cool champion spawn in trammel ruleset)

So we could either do whole area felucca or trammel ruleset (i would prefer fel) or just the champ area!

But that is a poll for a future thread ^^

Without having an early debate about this (in the end it's yours and Kon's decision anyways) and w/o a poll being in place:
Personally i want the whole area to be a Fel facet. There are enough Trammel locations on Pandora. The risk vs reward thing could really apply to the new map, including all locations there. Especially the champ spawn.
This is just my personal opinion but i am sure i can find players who will second that.

Thank you, Noll.

[WSF Vendor Houses & Free Vendor Spots]

WSF Vendor Houses & Free Vendor Spots

North West Luna

The Lucky Lady:
- This and That
- Lesser Arties
- Runebooks (Filled & Empty), Spellbooks (all types)
- Potion Kegs (all types)

"Get Your Arcane Circle And Check the Goods While You're There!" (tm)

Tys' Reindeer Droppings Mall:
- Free Vendor Spots for Players

"Check Out The Reindeer Poo, Count Heads & Get Your Free Spot While You're There!" (tm)

The Lucky Lady Player Vendor Mall:
- Free Vendor Spots for Players
- This and That

"And When You're Done At The Lucky Lady Get A Free Spot Here!" (tm)

Olwie's WSF Vendor Mall:
- Free Vendor Spots for Players
- This and That
- Runebooks
- Stealables & Deco
- Bags of Sending
- Powerscrolls
- Gold Skulls (for the Doom Gauntlet, also Package Deals)

"Get Your Gold Skulls And Check Out The Stuff While You're There!" (tm)

South West Luna (Get there via the Gate at Lucky Lady's Arcane Circle)

Tys' High End Rooftop Sale:
- Free Vendor Spots for Players
- This and That
- Artifacts (High End & Lesser & ToT's)
- Doom, Tokuno, Peerless, Champ Stuff
- Powerscrolls, Statscrolls
- Deco & OCoins

"Climb The Roof, Check The Vendors And Spend Money!" (tm)

I think the Avenger's Set only applies to regular looted plate armor pieces. Not 100% sure though.
But other platemail arties also didn't turn into avenger stuff. (Which makes sense.)

Sounds good, ty.

I have two questions about the Avenger's Set (not planning to switch, but it would be good to know for everyone, i guess):
1. So a certain amount of pieces gives +5 on "All Stats", then +5 again and complete set gives +15 total?
and
2. "All Stats": Just Str, Int and Dex or also other stuff like Increases (above the imbuable cap then)?

EDIT: Nvm, the questions just answered themselves after further thinking. ^^


tyvm

God, now you're really OLD!

Okay, congratulations to you, your daughter and the rest of the family.

Noll asked me to post this here:

Something more or less obvious, but the staff wasn't aware of this, so more or less a reminder after i told him...^^

You cannot buy stuff from NPC Vendors (except for Argon Bottles) with the new currency-trade system. Always need gold piles or gold in a check book.^^

Edit: Ok, found out why and what's happening, Noll said he can fix this.

I am happy to help if i can, so, yea.