hahah nice to hear I've been mistaken for such a loyal Pandorian... and I agree TP the ones who wont take a "handout" are the ones I go after as well.. and I quote handout cause I don't feel that's what it is when try'n to get a new player started here.. but I have been think hard about this topic and IMO only I feel that UO isn't the only game some of these players are playing.. it almost feel like some ppl and not all or even close to that.. I mean a small fraction of ppl seem to find intrest in getting over on there fellow players for some reason.. with sooo much to do on Pandora, you'd think how do they find the time?? lol