Power Scrolls and training

[Saturn]

Its rare, but they do drop. I got all my crafting scrolls from champs, except blacksmithy and tailoring. Even my 120 imbue was from a champ. I think all i need now is a 120 alchemy. If you dont believe that they will drop at all, you can always gamble and trade 2 for 1 at the ps exchange barrel.

But keep in mind, some skills dont have ps. Like poisoning.

[Keeblerboy]

Not sure if this the best place to post this but how about making Nera the crafting ps champ.  The hp is 1.3 million or so and very difficult to kill. It takes about 3 hours to kill it. You sure earn what ever you get.

[Horns Nigel]

I hate that more then Doom. LOL....Nigel

[Keeblerboy]

Yes, I agree but a payoff is at the end.

[zaxarus]

I like that idea.

And Dwarvey could show us how many champs he kills per day, so we can learn all from him.

irony

[Electo Jason]

I have killed Neira one time and got the worst powerscroll payoff ever from her.  I have Nightmares about that day still..

[rocktuff]

  wow I myself love that idea have neira be a boss to give craft powerscrolls for a reward of a long fight this would be Epic

[Dwarvey]

I regret I haven't active in the past couple of months due to personal issues, and working 2 jobs for a while. The 2 jobs issue is done for now since I was let go at my main job. However I will be trying to get back to doing champs again baring the wife's health needs.


So to answer your question about my champ activity. Right now 0. When I was active, well let's say we at Soul would do a few at a crack then share all of the scrolls as needed.

[rocktuff]

  but if none else Im telling ya a giant Training tree next to the training elements so we could hack on it indeffinatly to help raise lumberjacking would be sweet

[zaxarus]

When I was active, well let's say we at Soul would do a few at a crack then share all of the scrolls as needed.

Maybe you've missed the irony.
But same here: And i may say that i am sure i did more champs than you did. A long time ago, there you are right, drop chances of (higher and also rarer) PS's were better. It has been changed long ago.

[Silas DroSakhar]

I know this won't be a popular interjection, but the question I have about this whole issue is:  If everyone gets all the crafting powerscrolls, and everyone jumps to 120 skill in all the crafting areas, doesn't that serve to further isolate players from one another in a game that's supposed to be about interaction?  What I mean is, if everyone can do everything for themselves, there isn't much need for trade except on artifacts and imbuing mats, and quite honestly, about a month after everyone 120's their skills, there won't be much market for imbuing mats, either, since everyone will have already maxed their gear with runes.  Maybe I'm wrong, and I hope I am, but there's already far too few vendors offering anything of substance right now, and I feel that situation will only get worse if the scrolls start dropping like candy from a pinata.  That's the end of my soon-to-be flamed opinion, so feel free to roast me over the coals now.  Long Live Pandora!   

[rocktuff]

yeah true but come on I have had almost 80 million gold done 1000s of champs and in a over a year I have not EVER gotten or seen even 1 115 120 mining or 120 jack only option is to donate to get 120 I suppose, but I have donated tons of money as well, and just feel that these should be attainable in game. thus why I made this post to see if anyone else was having a problem seeing these particular scrolls

[Silas DroSakhar]

Please don't misunderstand my post and think I want the scrolls to be unattainable.  I definitely understand your frustration, and would think, after that many hours of gameplay, anyone would have picked up a couple of the aforementioned scrolls.  However, as Jason pointed out, there are a lot more non-harvesting and non-crafting scrolls than harvesting/crafting ones, and while it may feel like "they never drop", it might just be a case of really bad luck.  Vorspire assures us they are all coded to drop, and a few players have chimed in saying they've acquired them recently, so we can perhaps hope the run of bad luck may be over.

I personally don't mind them being so rare, in the fact that it's a challenge to acquire them, but that's just me.

p.s.  Don't get me wrong:  I'll be first in line if the scrolls become available some easier way.  I'm an rambling lunatic, not a martyr.   

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[zaxarus]

I think Jason is wrong:

If chances for each scroll are equal, then it doesn't matter how many scrolls of each category exist.^^

[Silas DroSakhar]

I think Jason is wrong:

If chances for each scroll are equal, then it doesn't matter how many scrolls of each category exist.^^

Yes, the chances are the same for each scroll, as Vorspire has said.  But, when you look at the number of harvesting/crafting scrolls versus the number of non-harvesting/non-crafting scrolls available, your odds aren't so good:


There are a total of 58 skills in our game.  Let's say 50 of these skills have powerscrolls available for them (I don't know the exact number).  This means there are 4 scrolls per skill, giving us 200 possible scrolls.

At each Champ, you are awarded scrolls.  I typically get two scrolls per drop, though I've heard some get three on occasion.  Your chance for any particular scroll, on each of these drops, is 1 in 200, meaning 199 times out of 200, you will NOT get the scroll you are looking for.  Taking that a step further, this means there is a .5% chance of any particular scroll being awarded through each scroll drop.

If we are hoping for any scroll within a particular skill, for instance any Mining scroll (there are 4 of them), then our chances improve slightly, to 4 in 200, or 2%.

If we are just trying for any scroll within a particular group of skills, for instance any crafting/harvesting scroll in the entire lot, then our chances improve a bit.  Now, we have a 40 out of 200 chance, or 20%.  20% is still not a winning average, so you are much more likely to lose than win.

The only way to improve the chances of getting these particular scrolls would be to raise their percentage likelihood of being selected higher than that of the other skills.  Again, as Vorspire has said, each scroll has the same chance of dropping, so it just boils down to the odds.  I'm not a betting man, but if I were, I'd bet your next drop won't have the scroll you are looking for (but it could).