It stands that a Red can travel to any Facet and roam freely, just as a Blue would.
But we cannot Recall/Gate/Sacred Journey to anywhere other than the Felluca Facet.
I was kind of wondering if this could be changed?
Just thought I'd add that I can't travel to Duels either to watch.
You as a murderer not being able to recall etc I am fine with -- Felucca is your land and there is small punishments for it
But not being able to go into the duel gate Ill look into
But there are HUGE punishments for it.
I read in anothe rpost you liked the idea of Reds, yet they will decrease due to this problem. Im SO limited in the game now, I cannot do anything such as Coin Monsters or Peerless, well I can, but I'd have to do the 2 hour run to each of them everytime, making it pointless.
I don't understand seeing as Reds are able to walk everywhere, yet we can't recall....it makes no sense at all.
The diversity a Red brings to the game is immense, but this will just drive us away.
The diversity a Red brings to the game is immense, but this will just drive us away.
Yeah i agree with this, i was trying to get a couple of guildies to malas the other day to where our HQ is and they have to run from luna gate the whole way. Then when they get there and need to head off again they have to do the 5 minute run again lol.
Is there any chance of it being relaxed in the future? i understand why if it is to slow down the killing of newer players atm. It just seems that reds are very limited and disadvantaged how it is atm..
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well isnt malas fel rule set? that does sound like somewhat a bug if it is actually fel ruleset outside of the walls. I agree with the way kon has it though, they should be limited on what they can do such as recalling to some spots and such. but if they are red they shouldnt want to really leave a fel facet since the point of a pk is to, well, pk. Thus they only places they would be able to pk is in a fel rulest so what point is there to really be in trammel?
If you're red, you're supposed to be at a disadvantage. That's what you get for having a large murder count. This is not strictly a PVP server, for a very good reason. You should be glad you can use moongates to go wherever you like. Perhaps, other than trying to make the game work completely to YOUR advantage, you should ask Kon about perhaps putting an equal number of coin bosses in Fel. I'm not sure how many are there, since I rarely hunt in Fel anyways. Seems like a good compromise to me.
I completely understand all your points, I do.
But I see it like this.
Im not Red JUST because I want to PK, I just wanted to add something else, that was fun, to my gameplay. I now have to create a whole new Char, train him, gather ALL new gear, just so I can play on the PvM side of Pandora.
I love PvM just as much as PvP, I am in no way PvP orientated.
So I now just feel that the no-skill cap is pointless to me, as I still have to have another character.
I feel like I have to give up a huge part of the game, PKing, just so I can play the game properly.
Of course Im going to feel at a strong disadvantage.
ill work on it.
But truth of the matter is you can't please everyone. A wise man who owned a big shard once told me
"the day your players stop complaining about things, the day your shard is dead"
So I like to hear your guys opinions :D
I'm glad you welcome opinions and don't take it as whining, because that would be a horrible thing. lol..
I still feel that the only trammel land mass should be.... Trammel... The Luna walls thing is iffy and I do appreciate there not being a vendor mall, so that's okay, I suppose. People could however always create a vendor mall in Trammel if they really don't want to even see anyone fighting.
Anything that has a high reward, should carry a high risk. Tokuno, AoS major artis (I don't know if you can fight there or not). You should be able to be attacked there. Trammel should be your only safety place. I don't think Trammel is a REALLY horrible place, but IMO it's more fun without it. lol.. But I get why it's there.
If Treasures of Tokuno are going to remain indefintely, don't you think an entire facet that can yeild an artifact from any npc in it needs Fellucca rules? Otherwise people only have to say "all guard" and go afk. Are you going to watch the place 24/7 for people doing that? Let the reds do it for you, it's simple.
i vote old school rules... reds recall anywhere implent 10% stat loss if they die..
Ter Mur is tram rules because its the only place gargs can get armor. There are three facets to retain balance. Personally, I like it that way. All the champ spawns are Fel. Doom is Fel rules. Fel is Fel rules. Ilsh is Fel rules. So what if Tokuno is tram rules? Making it impossible for people who aren't into PVP to get armor without tremendous risk everywhere would mean losing players.
It shouldn't be all about Fel rules. You want entire Fel rules? Plenty of PVP shards to humor you. I love the balance here. It's a balance of risk and reward.
You must must own that house East out of Luna then.
A friend of mine went red on accident and now cant recall into many areas, thats bad enough but his house is in Trammel. Whops.
working on it..
QuoteA wise man who owned a big shard once told me
"the day your players stop complaining about things, the day your shard is dead"
So I like to hear your guys opinions
Haha i knew you were a wise man kon :)
QuoteIf you're red, you're supposed to be at a disadvantage. That's what you get for having a large murder count. This is not strictly a PVP server, for a very good reason. You should be glad you can use moongates to go wherever you like. Perhaps, other than trying to make the game work completely to YOUR advantage, you should ask Kon about perhaps putting an equal number of coin bosses in Fel. I'm not sure how many are there, since I rarely hunt in Fel anyways. Seems like a good compromise to me.
Lol ok ram:
1) Reds do get disadvantages, im pretty sure the virtue system is non useable to reds, so they cant activate champs, protect, honour, sacrifice res and such + the typical normal ones in town etc.
2) I dont understand the "you should be glad you can use moongates" quote... If a red cannot recall, and cannot use moongates, he is stuck forever in the facet he turned red?
3) From what ive read, this isnt a post from statin about getting a handful of advantages thrown in for reds, this is simply a request for some of the more severe disadvantages to be relaxed.
And finally, you're obviously a very pro pvm player, which is totally fine :) However think of it this way, would you enjoy and appreciate the days so much if there were no nights? or happiness if there was no sadness? My point is that it is the 'bad' things (reds) that make us appreciate the good things (arties, gear, gold). Reds make the game exciting, and risky, and fun :)
(Im just trying to be full of wisdom like kon :P )
I know I know....im just rambling now.
But please can we all check this thread out and read the last line of the 7th post made by Konstantine?
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=503 (http://www.pandorauo.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=503)
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PK must have disadvantage after they are killing innocent and defenceless people. Otherwise new players will be discouraged from the start. And it will be impossible to get arties and other goods who will help them go stronger and join the PvP.
People in all shards are crying for "unfair" disadvantage of being PK. But don't forget that no one force you to murder people who can't defend them self.
The idea of originaly pk restriction to go only Fel and Papua/Delucia is to gather PvP/PvPK/PKvPK together in not so huge perimeter and force them to face each other. I think its good for small shard 'cuz even PvM (PvE)go in this lands for PSs and for easier gathering of crafting resources.
I can't talk about latest changes in game 'cuz I haven't play UO for about 4-5 years.
Sorry for my english. And it was nice to told you STOP CRY'IN, BEING PK IS YOUR CHOICE! :D
Literally EVERYTHING in that post just contradicted itself.
What are "Innocent defenseless people" doing in Felucca?
They go there knowing of the risk.
I only ask to be able to Recall. There is no possible way to kill anybody in Trammel. So you're whining about us being able to kill everywhere.
If I can walk in Trammel and I can't kill in there. Why should I not be able to Recall?
Its simple, yet its being made into this huge deal.
Not being able to Recall is RUINING THE GAME.
1st who are you to tell ppl where to go and where not (felluca have double on resource gathering its more than enough to pull ppl there)
2nd after murdering them why are you still cryin for disadvantage for being bloody murderer (you choose to be PK and know what will happen if you are)
3th try to PvP as blue its more fun (and after that you will stop crying for disadvantage of PvP like RED 'cuz you will cry for disadvantage of PvP like BLUE 'cuz ppl like you always cryin for something)
but still you are needed even if you don't cry for something stupid (for me its stupid for other mb not) because if you (and people like you) don't do this it will go a bit boring in forums :D
Im sorry.
But next to nothing in that made sense.
When did I at any point tell people where to go?
My whole argument is about Recalling you 'tard.
They aren't Innocent. It is their option to walk into Felucca, so quit whining about dieing there.
Ill make sure to look out for you especially.
Really, Statin? Just use a moongate. I've had no problems. If you have that much trouble, you can always wait off the murdercounts in Insula.
Yes, it is that much of a problem.
I feel like EVERYTHING has been made 10x harder.
If I were to kill the Coin Mobs that I would when I was Blue, it would normally take me around an hour to finish them all, but now, to have the hassle of running there and dodging all the countless monsters, it would probably take me an entire day.
You don't do Coin Bosses. You don't participate in PvM, so you don't have these problems.
'tarding on ppl who do not agree with you is easy :D
my point was your endless cryin ... its pointless
Quote1st who are you to tell ppl where to go and where not (felluca have double on resource gathering its more than enough to pull ppl there)
2nd after murdering them why are you still cryin for disadvantage for being bloody murderer (you choose to be PK and know what will happen if you are)
3th try to PvP as blue its more fun (and after that you will stop crying for disadvantage of PvP like RED 'cuz you will cry for disadvantage of PvP like BLUE 'cuz ppl like you always cryin for something)
but still you are needed even if you don't cry for something stupid (for me its stupid for other mb not) because if you (and people like you) don't do this it will go a bit boring in forums :D
Right, I didnt understand most of the last part.
but well, I could get almost ALL of my items from ter mur and tokuno, so I went to fel when I felt I was ABLE to handle reds or anything like that. I think the double loot/resource gathering should come with a cost, don't ya? there's plenty of trammies in OSI for some reason... Also, you really can't complain, if them so-called defenseless blues don't even get recall-blocked for being attacked, so escaping is quite easy.
Also i got this from http://www.uoguide.com/Murderer:
QuoteRestrictions
There are a few penalties for becoming a murderer.
* Can only live on Felucca facet. If you receive the fifth count in another facet, you get transported instantly to Felucca.
* Shopkeepers will not do business with you.
* Blue Wandering Healers and the 8 Virtue Shrines won't resurrect you. A red Priest of Mondain (less common) or the Chaos Shrine will.
* Anyone can attack you freely without going criminal.
* Guards will not protect you against other player attacks.
* Your pets are also red and freely attackable by anyone.
* Can't activate any Virtues (though they may still gain virtue paths).
One past restriction used to prevent entering towns. This was lifted. Murderers can now enter any Guard Zone, but if they break the law the guards can be summoned.
I don't see any statements saying Reds cannot recall :o
Statin's just complaining about not being able to recall for god's sake, stop slamming agressive posts against this, can't we discuss like normal people?
so, these are my 2 cents.
sorry for the friggin long post :roll:
Just to throw in to the argument (Because, man I miss debate class).
Most of the points made were something along these lines: I cannot recall to anywhere aside from Felucca.
Regarding Aaliah's post: It does not say that you were limited to recalling to another facet *because* you took the post from an OSI-site. And on OSI, unless you were playing on Siege Perilous, Reds can only go to Felucca. They cannot travel to any other lands, making it obvious that you could not recall to another facet.
Now for the fun part. But before I do, I want you all to know that it is simply me being the devil's advocate and showing all of the possible standpoints on it, and not my own personal standpoint.
Reds not being able to recall to another facet is an OSI rule. If Kon decides to fix it (Which he has said multiple times in this topic alone, judging from the "Working on it" posts). But until then, Reds will be stuck running to the moongates. It's a privelage to even go to other facets, as that is not normally the case. Now, I do understand that it makes things harder to do such as coin bosses. But for one to say "It's their choice to come into a fel area for us to kill them" I have one retort for you: It was your choice to kill them.
For those of you making posts regarding doing research before doing this or that, I have a retort for you as well: You should have looked up the repricussions of being a red before you went red. Anyone should know precisely what will happen to them before they do something. In this case, going red. They should have known that they would not be able to recall, use virtues, etc. If they didn't, well, now they know to look things up.
As for my standpoint: I like a good PvP. I used to have a red on OSI. I spent many a day in Fel Yew. But I also had characters that weren't red; "Trammies" if you would. I knew the repricussions of being red. I chose to do it anyways, because it was fun PvP'ing. Notice I say PvP'ing, and not griefing. Simply my opinion, but killing a miner isn't PvP. It's slaughter.
So to end this long post, I'll say this: Do research before you go red so as to be sure you agree with the punishments. If you don't, that's your fault. But that's not stopping you from making a blue.
Yeah I really agree with most of what you said in your post, because it's true and some kind of true that can't be doubted.
Although having so many punishments for being red kind of ruins what in my opinion is the good thing aobut having no skillcap: we don't really need alt chars. don't really have much to say, this is just my opinion :|
Quote* Can only live on Felucca facet. If you receive the fifth count in another facet, you get transported instantly to Felucca.
QuoteI don't see any statements saying Reds cannot recall :o
Reds should be able to recall to felluca but not trammel.
Everybody has made good points here.
But I just want to go to my original point.
This shard is a no-skill cap Server, defeating the object of making more than 1 Character. Even the fact you can have 5 houses reinforces that.
Yet now I have to create another Character to fully enjoy the shard.
I cannot attack people in Trammel, so why cant I recall there?
Statin out.
Rule #1: read the rules!
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Hi, new to this shard but not new to UO.
I have been reading all the comments, I think reds not being able to recall to anyway is unfair. You should be allowed to go anywhere, if you get caught in a guarded area then its your own fault thats what they are there for. And if the reason is for 'protecting new people' then that doesnt work as noobs normally stay in the guarded areas. Plus i remember in a shard of mine where Reds were alliowed to do anything blues were, and a bunch of them recalling to Brit brige or bank and fighing the guards and a mass of people was immensly fun. just a thought.
Read above.
This will be changing very soon -- we do a couple updates a week, it's on the list.