So Pandora is bigger than ever. With that comes over a million items, creatures, npcs, monsters, etc in the game.
With that creates lag and long save times.
A Couple things I want to do to eliminate that, and I want the players involved to help me.
- Working on building a new newbie dungeon, something that uses part of the static map, which loads locally. The dungeon we have now was built when Pandora was much smaller, but it's completely custom with a ton of items hogging up server. Gonna nuke it. (Custom meaning, it's not from the OSI map, meaning the server has to load everything you see as opposed to your computer which is much faster)
- Going to soon switch save times so around once an hour. Now this will be worst if we crash for something and it backs up a bit. But we rarely crash and Pandora is a well engine'd machine. I am not saying it will never happen, like all shard, it will once and awhile crash. 9 times out of 10 is when were putting new stuff in, and we expect bugs, once it's live we can fix it quick. But once an hour would barley ever be a wait time. And even waiting 20 seconds just once an hour is really easy.
- If you see something in Pandora that no one ever uses, weather is a TON of spawn, custom buildings, or deco etc. Please put in a page, not a PM -- and say "Hey I think you could delete all this stuff" -- We will check it out, if it's worthless we will get rid of the items on the server.
- Moving accounts to delete from non donators in 2 months. Meaning if your not a donator, and you do not log in for 2 whole months your account will be deleted. So if you take a break, jump on once every couple weeks just to refresh stuff.
- If you are a donator this will be 6 months time.
- This will drop worthless IDOc houses quicker, and get rid of a lot of junk.
- Throw away your garbage -- I am working on a thing where the more garbage you throw in a container the better reward you get. But thats on a long list, so just anything you never use, just dump it.
I am open to all ideas... Speak your minds...
Also I want to know your guys opinions on a resource wipe. Give like 2 week advanced, saying on this day, lumber, logs, fish, ore, ignots, etc will be deleted to start over on them. You can make whatever you need to make, train whatever you need to train before that time on your stock pile.
This will not only free up a lot of items on Pandora, but will give a fresh strart to the economy of resources?
I think I will be deleting all resources, but I want to know what you guys think first.
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IMO Don't delete resources - the Britain Library and Vesper Museum were intended to be resource sinks on OSI. Unfortunately, it's just a pain to donate here because they do not accept commodity deeds. It's just incredibly tedious donating small piles of ingots/boards at a time so the ingots just sit in my bank instead.
I also noticed a change that occurred with mining a few patches ago - smaller piles of ore became mine-able. Prior to do this, only the large piles of ore could be mined, thus, we now have 4 different variations of ore rather than 1. Maybe changing it back to how it used to be could help a bit?
Same with fishing, we just have way too many variations of fish with no properties that just end up sitting in our banks.
Maybe making resource boxes or portable garbage cans more easily attainable could help some of this out?
IMO the Resource "economy" will always be flawed simply because we are allowed to gather them while unattended, unless this can be policed (which is damn near impossible) trying to fix the "value" of resources will be futile.
As far as a "newbie" dungeon, I would suggest using one of the current trammel "Virtue" dungeons. They already. for the most part, have a good layout along with a chance to drop a Virtue artifact, which could be helpful to a new player.
Thank you Ferris for responding.
Keep in my, the exact thing you said, stuff sits in bank, containers etc, is a heavy thing on the shard. The economy is just a bonus, but my 100% concern is actually deleted the items them selfs off, not the economy.
There are millions of resources that Pandora needs to get rid on.
I would also like to add that if you run around and take a look at people's houses, you'll notice an abundance of trinkets locked down on their roofs - Virtue artifacts, Minor Illshennar Artifacts, along with misc. named artifacts, etc.
The majority of these items have become obsolete due to imbueing. Maybe you could add away to turn these items in for a worthwhile item, similar to the Tokuno artifacts, or turn them in, in exchange for pcoins or something more worthwhile :-) I'm sure that will encourage more people to ditch their collection of trinkets for something more worthwhile, while in turn lowering the global item count.
I agree with ferris, Allow us to turn in commodity deeds instead of having to drag piles of stuff on a packhorse. This would get rid of alot of resources imo. Also As i suggested before, use Tram deceit. This is a great dungeons because it has different levels and also is sectioned out pretty well. I suggest using the same bosses that you had in the custom dungeon. Also id like to make a suggestion also to fix the dungeon chests. They are fun to lock-pick them and get items. Right now they are preaos i believe and should be updated.
Also id like to suggest something like Clean up Brit. Give points or pcoins for turning in dif level artifacts and other items that can be gotten but arent used in the game cept for show. I love stealable artifacts in dungeons but right now they are worthless except for showing off you have them. Make them worth something in the game.
i would have to vote against the resource wipe konstantine, at least for ingots and wool/yarn/cloth due to people like myself who have a large stock of these resources for bods. I guess if there was a long advanced notice such as a month or longer then it might be ok.
Imo, feel free to delete all resources. Just hand out something in return of this "wipe" to reduce the rage a little bit. (only to accounts older then x months perhaps, as this wont effect new accounts such as my own i might add).
Will this reduce the lag? In my opinion it only stalls it for a few months until it builds back up again.
Now the Trash can idea should have been there for a long time, if you trash (or [donate) items, you get a small reward. This encourages people to do this more, and at the same time it cleans the shard out as your aiming for. win/win no harm done to anyone.
As for the newby dungeon, I personally like the idea of using Deceit. It really brings back memories and has all the rooms setup quite nicely to begin with. Some other option might be covetous (lvl4 i believe it was).
Would it help to change the gold/resources/stackables into a gump only triggered by a banker?
Axample: say "[enter word of choice]" near a banker to open your resource gump which can be used to target stackables to drop into your bank (but not as items but as text in the gump). you could even add on top of this that people can use this resourcebanker shared with the other characters one might have on an account. I understand if this requires a bit of coding but it might help reducing all the houses filled with ingots. if its still shared along the account in another way it might be the better option for some.
and a Cleaning mob at every bank that picks up all those items next to the trashcan would be nice:)
Thats all i can think of for now,
good luck on your search for a solution.
-oan
I vote against getting rid of the resources.
I am all for the clean up process but I think their is a ton of other things you can get rid of such as unnecessary decorations and stuff rather then the resources. As far as a turn in, I remember when OSI did it back in the early 2000's and it made people hunt things they wouldn't normally do. If I can think of anything else I'll post it but I'm not good at thinking to much....
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I don't agree with wiping our resource supplies. I personally donate to the museum and the library. I also run a Vendor House in Luna. I need my resources to restock and build items that my vendors carry. I fill them daily! Getting rid of my resource stock means pulling down my vendors. Which means less vendors for our players. I do not afk resource gather, nor do I want to or plan to. I just think that it is a TERRIBLE Idea!!!! Putting in a system to clean up the shard would be a great idea, such as we donate items or throw items away....the more items, the better the items, the better the reward.
Or totally BAN AFK Resource gathering!
I'd vote not to wipe resources as well. I would however vote to stop automated resource gathering.
Donating certain tier items for points of some kind would be a good start though. Only get points if the item meets certain requirements. Or maybe beef up some of the rewards available in britain and vesper museum to be worth something. That will eat up alot of the resources and ppl would feel rewarded for their use.
Also lowering the house allotment to say 2 or 3 per ip would free up alot of space. Having 5 houses is a little unnecessary.
Quote from: "renton1231"Also lowering the house allotment to say 2 or 3 per ip would free up alot of space. Having 5 houses is a little unnecessary.
This!!!!
I think houses should fall quicker, this would get rid of alot of mess in the game as well.
Also against the resource wipe... I play one account, gate to my vendor with another but script lumberjacking on another, every now and then I spend a few hours donating to the museum for points and I'm hoping for this to become a good source of income - at the moment I don't earn much as I'm farming Swoop for greens/reds to unravel.
Slightly selfish reason for suggesting it, but being in the UK I struggle to be online when other people are grouping up for money-making hunts.
Saying that, I wasn't aware that me storing things was lagging the server out :P So if it's that much of an issue, create a new donation system for rewards to encourage those stockpiling items to donate more frequently instead. I still don't know where the Pandora artifacts come from, but maybe lesser versions of those - or the same but for more points - would be encouragement enough as some of them make me very happy to look at... very happy :lol:
I am against a wipeout of resources. It makes no sense to me, because it will be a measure for a short time, but in this time, resources will be collected again (for natural purposes) and there will be the same problem again.
Better make a Token System, with two purposes:
1st: You can add resources (a bit like museum system) to get something.
2nd: You add minor artifacts (like ML stuff or virtue items etc.) and get a better artifact. A point which already was talked of; something like ToT System.
And let IDOC turn faster. Everyday I see houses of people, who seem to be ghosts. Never saw them with [c or actually running around, but they bunker tons of more or less useful stuff.
If you wipe all resources (maybe also of Resource Boxes??), that would be... not so cool. And after a period of time, you will have the same problems, as i said before.
I have no problem with banning AFK resourcing.
I brought this up in a previous post about cleaning the shard up.. but maybe you didn't see it as noone replied:
On a previous shard I played on, we had currency called "Trashite Bars"
We had a special golden trashcan (Bought from a banker for 10k) that when items were placed in the trashcan, and the phrase "I wish to Empty the Trash Barrel" was spoken within 1 tile of the trashcan, all the items inside would turn into trashite bars. A certain amount per a certain item (i.e.: 5 arrows per 1 trashite, and some items (like empty containers) didn't turn into trashite, and remained as they were before, inside the "Trashite Barrel")
Then, in our main-town square (We used vesper on this shard), we had a vendor stone, much like the ones in our donation room, but instead of gold, p-coins, pvp coins, or any other various currency this shard uses, that stone used trashite.
The rewards were harmless, Such as 100 of each reg for a certain amount of trashite, or clothing dye deeds, ect.
And the best part is noone farmed trashite, because it was a gold sink. The Objective of the barrel was only to junk the things you weren't going to need, or use, or want. That way your not purposly junking boards, ect, for trashite. Your simply getting alittle bit of currency, for throwing something in a trashite barrel rather then a regular trash barrel.
Maybe this shard could script something like this rather then having the annual event?
I Understand the server can handle the extra items, but it would make it alot faster, and help lag alittle bit, if we had an actual reward for throwing away junk rather then being pack rats.
I vote YES! Guys I understand your thinking "gee if he wipes all resources how am I going to stock vendors and craft?'" But think about it for a second does anyone on here enjoy this freeze we all have for like 2-3 sec every couple of minutes? I know you don't! I have played here over a year now and I know there are tons of inactive accts with houses that have alot of resources just sitting around. They need wiped! Noone on here needs 100k or more of each ingot, of each board, of wool, of cloth, or fish. You just don't. This clogs up the server and makes things run slower.
- The answer is also not to stop Afk scripting. For one there is really no way to manage this and the gms and kon prolly don't need to waste their entire days running around making sure all lumberjackers and miners are actually watching their accts. Not a feasable idea just leave that one alone.
-I do like the reward ideas but maybe that should be put in place after we do a cleanup to prevent this from happening in the future.
-Ive read others say blah blah blah if you do this it will just happen again in the future. Well in the year or more I have played here I have not seen this happen, so with that being said it would take a long time for this to buildup again and if the reward ideas get put in place sometime that should also help out the cause.
-Everyone can get resources again very very easily. Just go get them just like you have been doing. Not that big of deal really.
-Now for questions and suggestions part:
1) Kon does resource boxes and commodity deeds affect the "in game" items that affect the clogging up of the server? If they don't no need to wipe the resources in the boxes. Lower the price alot on them to say 20 pcoins. Let everyone have them and that would reduce everything alot for ACTIVE players. Wouldn't hurt anyone to have these as they do not affect the economy or game play. Wipe out stuff for inactive accts. Not sure if it would be hard to seperate or not.
2)What actual resources are you wanting to wipe? This really makes a difference in opinions too. We need a definite list on what your thoughts are.
3)I really would like the changes on the idocs and limiting the number of houses and accounts. Also a wipe of inactive accts because Im sure there are a ton and they take up space.
4)If everyone is upset by a wipe maybe not a total wipe on items. Say if you have 700k iron ingots that you wont need, take them down to 1k. Still leaving people with some stuff and let them build more back up. That would allow them to still keep their vendors up and going but also taking the majority of stuff out freeing up the server.
Alright Sorry for the long post but I guess that I had alot to say. Hope this helps and I hope that you guys understand why it would be necessary to clean up alot and start fresh. Would also allow the newer players to catch up to the vets on resources. We all are Hoarders its a UO disease that we all have and probably always will LOL but sometimes it needs dealt with even though you think you cant part with those crazy amounts of crap that we all have. Thanks for reading!
Another 1/2 off sale would help likely too, more processing power on the server would help :) additional drives, RAID etc.
After reading all the posts I to believe wiping all the resources is not the answer as it will happen again and again and again which is the definition of insanity. there are some great ideas on here as one being limit accounts to only two houses or maybe even one per account. Second maybe plan another half off sale specifically for upgrades to whatever the server may need.
The whole trash can ordeal may work also my idea would be maybe a tier promotion with blood dungeon arties, tokuno arties, power scrolls, doom arties and doom stealables etc.
Also think we could take out monster spawners in different locations like near fel ice cave as most people who pvm dont go to fel to hunt anyway etc just an example. Also I know the custom deco is great for a shard and agree for tram facets but get rid of most of it in the fel facets as pvpers arent sitting around any deco admiring it anyway they are their to fight. I know this is not an easy task at hand because no matter what we do it will be hard to make everyone happy maybe come up with your specific ideas and maybe two options to each and put a voting stone up for a week or two or three and let the vote decide.
I agree with the ressource wipe. As long as you can keep anything under 1k-2k.
Limit the number of houses per account.
There are way to many useless fish.
Portable trash bins.
I vote no on deleting resources. It seems like a temporary solution at best. I for one don't have the time I used to (work 6-7 days a week), to play games, and don't want to have to recollect the items I need for crafting. Maybe if there was a limit put on it like 2to4k of each item. And what items are we taking about? Some are much harder to gather than others (Such as imbuing materials, Valorite Iron, certain colors of wood, etc). So I think this needs to be defined better. I seen some good ideas mentioned above, hopefully we can come to a solution that is fair to all.
Quote from: "BigCat"I vote no on deleting resources. It seems like a temporary solution at best. I for one don't have the time I used to (work 6-7 days a week), to play games, and don't want to have to recollect the items I need for crafting. Maybe if there was a limit put on it like 2to4k of each item. And what items are we taking about? Some are much harder to gather than others (Such as imbuing materials, Valorite Iron, certain colors of wood, etc). So I think this needs to be defined better. I seen some good ideas mentioned above, hopefully we can come to a solution that is fair to all.
Would only be a couple resources... wood.. ore...
Quote from: "Konstantine"Quote from: "BigCat"I vote no on deleting resources. It seems like a temporary solution at best. I for one don't have the time I used to (work 6-7 days a week), to play games, and don't want to have to recollect the items I need for crafting. Maybe if there was a limit put on it like 2to4k of each item. And what items are we taking about? Some are much harder to gather than others (Such as imbuing materials, Valorite Iron, certain colors of wood, etc). So I think this needs to be defined better. I seen some good ideas mentioned above, hopefully we can come to a solution that is fair to all.
Would only be a couple resources... wood.. ore...
Thanks for the reply Konstantine. That my not be so bad if only them resources. I understand you need to do what helps the server and community. Maybe we could still put some limit on it rather than all of the wood and ore? Or at least on active accounts. I really do not know what kind of difficulty this would be for you though. Just my thoughts.
You could also do something similar to the clean up britannia event that OSI runs.
Quote from: "renton1231"You could also do something similar to the clean up britannia event that OSI runs.
I actually wrote a system that is very close to that before I even knew about the clean up thing on osi. I will look into it more and we will go from there.
Thanks for all the replies. I want to do what the players want, keep them happy, just need to find a way to compromise.
just to throw out an idea as well, if you want to remove alot of the resources on the shard, instead of doing just a straight wipe of the resources, do just a 1 time collection of all resources. Say give a small amount of pcoins (something like 10-50 pcoins) for a large amount of a certain resources (say 100k or more resources). This way you are still getting the major resources removed to achieve what you wanted but you are also giving slight compensation.
Now i realize that by doing this, if you give sufficient time, people will farm the resources to just acquire pcoins, however, if you give a short notice, say 2 days or so, then it will eliminate some of this being done.
Like i said, just trying to throw other ideas out there for you Konstantine, cuz i love ya lol