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Welllll..... I figured that'd get a response or two. I do tend to ramble on excessively... often without thinking much about what I'm actually typing, in any sense of accuracy of words, but the idea is conveyed, an emotional argument, not an argument meant for a courthouse. Definitely true some of the things I stated as obvious I suppose I should have stated were my opinion - what I think is clear and obvious is not the same for everyone, sometimes I forget this. There's a lot of places I could have added a modifying statement or used some phrasing of want instead of a phrasing of need but damnit I'm not an english major I just type as I think. Please assume in all of what I say that the phrase "in my opinion" is slapped onto the beginning, if that helps at all. But it's good I was hoping for it to be of some debatable use, and to try and get us all on the same page here. And I'll definitely concede I'm a hoarder, and do I need anything? How do you define need? In the context of a fantasy game, what we all need is whatever we each decide we need right? If it's crap, it's still raw material that can be smashed apart, cut apart, or melted down or whatever, and I really am making an effort to reduce the pile, I spent 5 hours tonight after a full workday doing nothing but sorting - but seriously most of that # is as of yet unsorted, and a lot is various decor, things that aren't necessarily valuable, but that I don't really want to re-make, and I find it just easier to store these things. I don't have all items that I know exactly what they are and can just toss stuff like it's nothing. I've got maybe 10K items I know what they are, most of which have some purpose or inherent value, and the rest more than half is diamonds hidden in the rough junk. Yes there is a lot of junk and I'm doing my damnedest to work through it all. I guess I'm saying, it's apparently hard for anyone to really understand having so much that you don't know exactly what you have, and I guess I didn't make a very clear post to that effect. What seems like a huge amount to some of you here, seems like business as usual to me.

I did actually learn a couple things on here just now. I had no idea you could do a script to refresh houses, and I've never been able to get an auto-logging-in script to work correctly, plus I'd be concerned that the script would foul up somehow. Furthermore, I haven't been able to figure out the new easyuo with this newest patch, why the hell it won't use the .TXT file scripts that worked just fine with the older version, or what a .LUA file is, so I'm fully 100% non script at present. I do em manually and always have probably always will I guess. I am fine with 37 days, and yes "pain" isnt the correct word to describe refreshing several dozen houses manually every 2 weeks or so (just to be on the safe side, you never know what can come up that will keep you offline - I live in florida and I've had power knocked out for 15 days from a hurricane before). Maybe "slightly inconvenient forced usage of my time to hold onto what I've worked hard to acquire, with the outside possibility of real life responsibilities or circumstances making it challenging to do so indefinitely with huge consequences in failing to do so" would be more accurate. I do have a real concern that if it's changed in the future and made too fast, and with no auto-refresh ability, then there would be a situation of total insecurity on like everything every player has worked for - if everything is always falling and everything can be lost after a short short time away from the game that would be really frustrating, in my opinion. In any case I'll do whatever I need to do within the rules provided to try to hold onto what I want to. Also I had no idea there was a way to re-size houses without knocking them down first - nobody ever bothered to tell me, and there is no button anywhere on the house sign page? (veteran newbie here apparently) I'll get to work making things square and good again since apparently I was all riled up over absolutely nothing/incorrect information. I was assuming from the statement made previously that specifically said that there was a delay of seemingly hours, that that was the new state of affairs. I had not yet independently tested this, just trusted the validity of and responded to what was stated and not corrected, my bad. aaaaanywho.... best of luck to everyone out there. I don't need a response, I'll just assume you all disagree with half of what I typed for whatever reason, and that I'm totally wrong in whatever that is, so sorry I guess though I have no idea why. Stopping typing now before I unintentionally come off as any stupider than I already probably have.

So uhh hey everyone... so as any changes to the housing system would seem to impact me more so than any other players at present I figure it's my responsibility to add my 2 cents.

First off - I won land by being there 1st and building fastest. I expended time doing so - time that could have been spent looting stuff. So make no mistake - I earned that land, or at least I earned it in as much as it is possible to earn it via forgoing other opportunity loss and beating out everyone else in building.

I would ask that we please do not get rid of the unlimited housing as at present that would represent a significant loss to me and other players - I would support a shortened decay process to force me to MORE constantly upkeep the land, if you think that 37 days is too slow. I work and have a life (i know right?!) and so expecting people to play UO every week of their lives is clearly  unrealistic and insane and really the 37 days would seem to me to be short enough already, especially considering there is no auto-refresh at all now, and to those who don't know this 37 days is already shortened, it used to be like 3 months - to note I have lots of houses at present to manage so trust me, it will be a pain to upkeep all of this already with a 37 day decay - many of these plots were simply built as temporary storage for what was on the ground at those spots and will be removed/given away by me at my discretion. Other plots were placed so that I can lock down the land for future use, and will not be removed. I only own 2 castles at present, but possess enough land to likely build a couple more castles outside of Luna in the future. This is my intention. I obviously dont want to have 7x7s jamming up the land indefinitely. The purpose in doing this is to lock the land under my control so that I can eventually build castles on the land, wherever possible (I can't believe I have to explain this, its a simple concept).

All of you who say we only need X number of houses - you don't have 25000 items to sort and store and recycle and sell. I do. The notion that I could fit all of my goods in a single 1818 or a single castle is a joke. We're just playing this game at different scales. I've been playing on here for several years, since almost the dawn of time on Pandora, and I'm not sure on this but can say with some confidence I am one of if not the most elder player still on here, and so my needs and wants are different from many of yours. Unlimited housing is for me almost necessary at present, and a condition I intend to make excellent use of.

On the subject of cleaning up the land - I would point out that it would be infinitely easier for me to manage the land I own and remove/resize the plots, to my and everyone elses benefit and for the aesthetics of the shard itself, if there were no delay on rebuilding a new plot on land where a house is intentionally demolished. I can and will accomplish my resizing goals even if this is left as is, but it will take an extremely greater amount of time. A non-delay rebuild, as we've had for forever, I think, would be best. Really it makes sense to be able to take land that you possess and fill it correctly with a fully sized plot. As it stands, I'm somewhat stuck and forced to go very slow in this process, and so is whats his name in Zento, until that is changed back. Make it no delay, and you'll once again see a fully sized Zento, Luna, and outside of Luna in short order.

PS - zaxarus, as to your comment about me not playing here in an eternity, atleast I assume that was directed at me, and that all of my stuff should have fallen - obviously you don't have a clue what I do with my time on this game so please speak for yourself and don't assume to know anything about my gameplay or what I do or don't do. Somehow I seem to have managed to upkeep all of my old houses, since before the time of ageless housing, most of which were obviously not auto refresh at that time. And I've done this for years. How exactly could I have managed to do that if I had abandoned them and hadnt played at all? Clearly what you think is abandoned and what IS abandoned are 2 different things. Only those players who had completely left the game and not logged in in a year had their stuff knocked down. I am far from falling into that category.

~ Friar ~

Hey All - I used to have a program simply called "House Builder" it was created by "kurgan" or "kurgen" when it loaded it had a image of kindof a sandstone shambles with the phrase "for those who love to create". Awesome program lets you design houses offline including many many deco items with significant ease and save as a jpg image. I lost this program when I had to re-do my computer a couple months back. Now have tried for some hours to find it again and the internet is not cooperating. All I can find are various forum threads that used to link to websites that used to exist... and supposedly similar programs none of which work. Does anyone have a working copy of this program? Or knows of a link to where it exists now? Or knows of a different program by a different name that I can work with?