Red Recalling

[King Kong]

working on it..

[Jar Jar]

A wise man who owned a big shard once told me

"the day your players stop complaining about things, the day your shard is dead"

So I like to hear your guys opinions

Haha i knew you were a wise man kon

If you're red, you're supposed to be at a disadvantage. That's what you get for having a large murder count. This is not strictly a PVP server, for a very good reason. You should be glad you can use moongates to go wherever you like. Perhaps, other than trying to make the game work completely to YOUR advantage, you should ask Kon about perhaps putting an equal number of coin bosses in Fel. I'm not sure how many are there, since I rarely hunt in Fel anyways. Seems like a good compromise to me.

Lol ok ram:

1) Reds do get disadvantages, im pretty sure the virtue system is non useable to reds, so they cant activate champs, protect, honour, sacrifice res and such + the typical normal ones in town etc.

2) I dont understand the "you should be glad you can use moongates" quote... If a red cannot recall, and cannot use moongates, he is stuck forever in the facet he turned red?

3) From what ive read, this isnt a post from statin about getting a handful of advantages thrown in for reds, this is simply a request for some of the more severe disadvantages to be relaxed.

And finally, you're obviously a very pro pvm player, which is totally fine However think of it this way, would you enjoy and appreciate the days so much if there were no nights? or happiness if there was no sadness? My point is that it is the 'bad' things (reds) that make us appreciate the good things (arties, gear, gold). Reds make the game exciting, and risky, and fun

(Im just trying to be full of wisdom like kon   )

[Statin]

I know I know....im just rambling now.

But please can we all check this thread out and read the last line of the 7th post made by Konstantine?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=503

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[RandomLaino]

PK must have disadvantage after they are killing innocent and defenceless people. Otherwise new players will be discouraged from the start. And it will be impossible to get arties and other goods who will help them go stronger and join the PvP.
 People in all shards are crying for "unfair" disadvantage of being PK. But don't forget that no one force you to murder people who can't defend them self.
 The idea of originaly pk restriction to go only Fel and Papua/Delucia is to gather PvP/PvPK/PKvPK together in not so huge perimeter and force them to face each other. I think its good for small shard 'cuz even PvM (PvE)go in this lands for PSs and for easier gathering of crafting resources.
 I can't talk about latest changes in game 'cuz I haven't play UO for about 4-5 years.

 Sorry for my english. And it was nice to told you STOP CRY'IN, BEING PK IS YOUR CHOICE!

[Statin]

Literally EVERYTHING in that post just contradicted itself.

What are "Innocent defenseless people" doing in Felucca?
They go there knowing of the risk.

I only ask to be able to Recall. There is no possible way to kill anybody in Trammel. So you're whining about us being able to kill everywhere.

If I can walk in Trammel and I can't kill in there. Why should I not be able to Recall?

Its simple, yet its being made into this huge deal.

Not being able to Recall is RUINING THE GAME.

[RandomLaino]

1st who are you to tell ppl where to go and where not (felluca have double on resource gathering its more than enough to pull ppl there)
 2nd after murdering them why are you still cryin for disadvantage for being bloody murderer (you choose to be PK and know what will happen if you are)
 3th try to PvP as blue its more fun (and after that you will stop crying for disadvantage of PvP like RED 'cuz you will cry for disadvantage of PvP like BLUE 'cuz ppl like you always cryin for something)
 but still you are needed even if you don't cry for something stupid (for me its stupid for other mb not) because if you (and people like you) don't do this it will go a bit boring in forums

[Statin]

Im sorry.
But next to nothing in that made sense.

When did I at any point tell people where to go?
My whole argument is about Recalling you 'tard.

They aren't Innocent. It is their option to walk into Felucca, so quit whining about dieing there.

Ill make sure to look out for you especially.

[Ether]

Really, Statin? Just use a moongate. I've had no problems. If you have that much trouble, you can always wait off the murdercounts in Insula.

[Statin]

Yes, it is that much of a problem.

I feel like EVERYTHING has been made 10x harder.
If I were to kill the Coin Mobs that I would when I was Blue, it would normally take me around an hour to finish them all, but now, to have the hassle of running there and dodging all the countless monsters, it would probably take me an entire day.

You don't do Coin Bosses. You don't participate in PvM, so you don't have these problems.

[RandomLaino]

'tarding on ppl who do not agree with you is easy
 my point was your endless cryin ... its pointless

[Aaliah]

1st who are you to tell ppl where to go and where not (felluca have double on resource gathering its more than enough to pull ppl there)
2nd after murdering them why are you still cryin for disadvantage for being bloody murderer (you choose to be PK and know what will happen if you are)
3th try to PvP as blue its more fun (and after that you will stop crying for disadvantage of PvP like RED 'cuz you will cry for disadvantage of PvP like BLUE 'cuz ppl like you always cryin for something)
but still you are needed even if you don't cry for something stupid (for me its stupid for other mb not) because if you (and people like you) don't do this it will go a bit boring in forums

Right, I didnt understand most of the last part.
but well, I could get almost ALL of my items from ter mur and tokuno, so I went to fel when I felt I was ABLE to handle reds or anything like that. I think the double loot/resource gathering should come with a cost, don't ya? there's plenty of trammies in OSI for some reason... Also, you really can't complain, if them so-called defenseless blues don't even get recall-blocked for being attacked, so escaping is quite easy.
Also i got this from http://www.uoguide.com/Murderer:

Restrictions

There are a few penalties for becoming a murderer.

    * Can only live on Felucca facet. If you receive the fifth count in another facet, you get transported instantly to Felucca.
    * Shopkeepers will not do business with you.
    * Blue Wandering Healers and the 8 Virtue Shrines won't resurrect you. A red Priest of Mondain (less common) or the Chaos Shrine will.
    * Anyone can attack you freely without going criminal.
    * Guards will not protect you against other player attacks.
    * Your pets are also red and freely attackable by anyone.
    * Can't activate any Virtues (though they may still gain virtue paths).

One past restriction used to prevent entering towns. This was lifted. Murderers can now enter any Guard Zone, but if they break the law the guards can be summoned.

I don't see any statements saying Reds cannot recall  

Statin's just complaining about not being able to recall for god's sake, stop slamming agressive posts against this, can't we discuss like normal people?

so, these are my 2 cents.
sorry for the friggin long post  :roll:

[Helvinr]

Just to throw in to the argument (Because, man I miss debate class).

Most of the points made were something along these lines: I cannot recall to anywhere aside from Felucca.

Regarding Aaliah's post: It does not say that you were limited to recalling to another facet *because* you took the post from an OSI-site. And on OSI, unless you were playing on Siege Perilous, Reds can only go to Felucca. They cannot travel to any other lands, making it obvious that you could not recall to another facet.

Now for the fun part. But before I do, I want you all to know that it is simply me being the devil's advocate and showing all of the possible standpoints on it, and not my own personal standpoint.

Reds not being able to recall to another facet is an OSI rule. If Kon decides to fix it (Which he has said multiple times in this topic alone, judging from the "Working on it" posts). But until then, Reds will be stuck running to the moongates. It's a privelage to even go to other facets, as that is not normally the case. Now, I do understand that it makes things harder to do such as coin bosses. But for one to say "It's their choice to come into a fel area for us to kill them" I have one retort for you: It was your choice to kill them.

For those of you making posts regarding doing research before doing this or that, I have a retort for you as well: You should have looked up the repricussions of being a red before you went red. Anyone should know precisely what will happen to them before they do something. In this case, going red. They should have known that they would not be able to recall, use virtues, etc. If they didn't, well, now they know to look things up.

As for my standpoint: I like a good PvP. I used to have a red on OSI. I spent many a day in Fel Yew. But I also had characters that weren't red; "Trammies" if you would. I knew the repricussions of being red. I chose to do it anyways, because it was fun PvP'ing. Notice I say PvP'ing, and not griefing. Simply my opinion, but killing a miner isn't PvP. It's slaughter.

So to end this long post, I'll say this: Do research before you go red so as to be sure you agree with the punishments. If you don't, that's your fault. But that's not stopping you from making a blue.

[Aaliah]

Yeah I really agree with most of what you said in your post, because it's true and some kind of true that can't be doubted.
Although having so many punishments for being red kind of ruins what in my opinion is the good thing aobut having no skillcap: we don't really need alt chars. don't really have much to say, this is just my opinion  :|

[Fearfactory]

* Can only live on Felucca facet. If you receive the fifth count in another facet, you get transported instantly to Felucca.

I don't see any statements saying Reds cannot recall

Reds should be able to recall to felluca but not trammel.

[Statin]

Everybody has made good points here.

But I just want to go to my original point.

This shard is a no-skill cap Server, defeating the object of making more than 1 Character. Even the fact you can have 5 houses reinforces that.

Yet now I have to create another Character to fully enjoy the shard.

I cannot attack people in Trammel, so why cant I recall there?

Statin out.